“Ensign,” Kirk says, cooly. “Please…hand me my…cologne. I heard there’s a certain counselor on board who’s in need of a…captain’s log.”
“Yes, sir!” the nondescript ensign says, handing his captain his cologne, as well as a comb.
“I hear she’s an empath,” Kirk continues, primping himself. “She’s going to experience feelings she’s never…felt…before.”
“Yes, sir!” the ensign repeats.
As Kirk finishes looking in the mirror, he says to no one in particular, “Now all we need is some chocolate and a bottle of champage.”
“Sir!” the ensign pipes up. “I’ll get that for you, sir!” Walking over to the replicator, the ensign places the captain’s order. But instead of champagne, the ensign hears a few odd beeps, than sparks fly as he tumbles backwards into the room.
————————–
“Would you have me believe that you did not know the root beer that came from your bar wasn’t poisoned?” Odo barks at Quark, now behind a force field.
“I’m not a killer!” Quark whines. “I held no malice towards anyone who’s dead, including Garak!”
“That may be, but if someone offered you enough gold-pressed latinum…”
“And risk losing my bar?”
“Odo, this is Kira,” is heard over the communicator.
“Yes, Major.”
“Some guy wearing a red shirt is dead. He was with Kirk. His replicator appears to have been booby-trapped.”
Odo looks at Quark, and sighs. “Do we know whether or not Kirk was the perpetrator’s target?”
“No we don’t, sir,” Kira says.
“Can I go now?” Quark whines.
Odo lowers the force field. “I’ve still got my eye on you.”
beau (Commander William T. Riker, died happy)
adobery (Lieutenant Commander Worf, launched from promenade)
nibbish (Commander Katherine Pulaski, MD, pulverized)
kg2005 (Elim Garak, poisoned)
greekhouse (Ensign, electrocuted)
bhiggum
cheaptoy
Daneeka’s Ghost
DK
Dread Pirate
Grey
meat
rob
spookymilk
TDO
Casa de Leche 
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November 2, 2011 at 10:03 am
cheaptoy1
Ok, well I guess GH doesn’t have anything to answer for anymore.
November 2, 2011 at 10:05 am
Grey
Good morning Federation!
As has become quite obvious to some I am not troi. I would like to take a moment to remind folks that just because someone is better at playing a role (or has more nerd knowledge) does not make them that role… Too many of you jumped on the “meat is troi grey is fake” bandwagon right away, which could have been very damaging to us. regardless, I am comfortable now coming forward with my information.
I AM THE SEER. I’ve lived as long as I think I can in the game (one more night may have been possible, but I don’t want to risk it.)
My picks have been:
Night 1 Adobery – Federation (note my not voting for him? I wish I could have been more direct with this one, but it was too risky)
Night 2 Cheaptoy – Changeling (late adobery vote piqued my desire to peek (i had to get one in))
Night 3 TDO – Federation (seemed an obvious pick to me)
I think this is valuable enough to get us in the right direction, though I would have like to have gotten one more changeling in the mix.
for me:
vote cheaptoy
November 2, 2011 at 10:06 am
cheaptoy1
Alright, from this post I can guarantee that Grey is Chakotay.
November 2, 2011 at 10:05 am
TDO
no but i think spookymilk does. Went back last night and his votes keep coming to me at least once each day and he’s quieter than i thought, i think we need to look into this situation today.
November 2, 2011 at 10:08 am
TDO
ok i posted this as grey posted so i didn’t see his response until after.
November 2, 2011 at 10:10 am
cheaptoy1
I’m iffy. spooky was agreeing with GH a lot, which would be sort of odd for a wolf, with GH’s reputation as a detailed player.
November 2, 2011 at 10:16 am
cheaptoy1
Then again, GH was wrong about kg so I can understand a
wolf’schangeling’s interest in leaning on GH’s rep to start a wave of votes towards an Ensign.November 2, 2011 at 10:07 am
greekhouse
***DEAD***
Of course this was my role. If there’s a role that could aid in me dying early, I was going to have it.
***DEAD***
November 2, 2011 at 10:30 am
greekhouse
***subscribe***
November 2, 2011 at 10:07 am
Grey
I should add, I’m not ripping on meat at all… I’m a total nerd in many ways, just not for Star Trek. I honestly have never watched a full episode in my life. I don’t even know who odo is, but here I am.
November 2, 2011 at 10:11 am
cheaptoy1
If it helps, I wasn’t advocating voting for you because I felt meat was the real Troi. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were making an Odo cover, even though you’ve been deluded into who you are.
November 2, 2011 at 10:18 am
meat
Ripping? Is this some earth term I don’t understand? I wish data was around to explain this to me. And if data was here he could open a link to wikipedia so that I could do a little research on what I should say next. I’m so conflicted, I think I’ll just have a chocolate and KG sandwich.
November 2, 2011 at 10:33 am
Grey
jerkface.
November 2, 2011 at 10:41 am
meat
First you spoon the fudge around the rim job……………..
November 2, 2011 at 10:56 am
Grey
i want you to know i threw up a little in my mouth here…
i haven’t even clicked the link (not that I could here in corporate cubicle land…)
tell me you love me meat.
November 2, 2011 at 11:00 am
meat
I love fudge. And You. And Fudge. Mostly, I love fudge, but I also love you.
November 2, 2011 at 10:12 am
meat
Oh, my! A new love interest! Too bad that I’ve fallen for the alien inhabiting my extra set of titties.
Vote Spooky
November 2, 2011 at 10:19 am
meat
Unvote Spoons
Vote Cheaptoy
November 2, 2011 at 10:20 am
rob
Alright, I’m around at the moment and trying to figure out what we do with the events of the evening. I am still a little confused why the wolves have previously stayed away from the Trois, but if Grey is the true seer, it certainly seems to have been beneficial that they have chosen the way they have.
I’ll be around processing this…
November 2, 2011 at 10:20 am
daneekasghost
hmmm, cheaptoy as changeling…
There’s the adobery vote which put it to a tie at the last second.
Would a tie (between two villagers) benefit the changelings? It might give them a hint as to who Kirk is, I guess. Not sure they would risk a last second vote to lynch a villager to get there though.
Yesterday he was on kg and stayed there.
I think there were reasonable, um, reasons to do that (since I did pretty much the same thing), but kg did turn out to be another villager, so the benefit to the changelings is pretty obvious.
I’m leaning toward Grey as Chakotay here, but I’m guessing we’ll see another seer before this day is sorted out.
November 2, 2011 at 10:25 am
cheaptoy1
As to my adobery vote on day 1, if I was a changeling, I’d have known both were not changeling’s so I don’t think any kg/adobery voting on day 1 says a whole lot. Especially because I really was just trying to give kg a second chance, since I didn’t think he was particularly changeling-y that day. Unfortunately, that makes The Dread Pirate harder to read with his last second vote.
Right now, I’m putting spoons as my top suspect, with maybe bhiggum as #2 because he was voicing GH suspicions, I think, both days.
November 2, 2011 at 10:37 am
rob
It might be worth it to a wolf to keep another relatively unknown player around who had been suspected by the village by throwing a different villagers off instead.
In this case (whether it was your intent or now), saving kg on day one did end up leading to his lynching on day 2, which would be a great play for the wolves (which is why I suggested keeping him around for another night yesterday).
I think there’s about a 60/40 chance that you’re a wolf at this point.
November 2, 2011 at 10:42 am
cheaptoy1
The thing is, the adobery day 1 vote had some decent (at least, for day 1) backing because of his fake seer play, and the kg day 2 vote made some sense because of how defensive he got after finding out from day 1 just what being incredibly defensive can get someone.
Now that I think on it more, I’m really starting to suspect bhiggum. He was trying to start a GH drumbeat, which makes it suspicious now that we know he was a wanillager.
November 2, 2011 at 10:46 am
rob
I don’t disagree on Adobery. Though I didn’t vote for him because of his weird play, it certainly didn’t make me move my vote later on. I am a little less sure on your day 2, since you seemed to go pretty hard at a kg vote, and most of your posts were aimed at “if kg is clean, then we should go after GH, so we’ll learn something from killing him”. From what we know now, you have been most suspicious of 3 villagers for the first 2 days. That’s not terribly uncommon, but it is enough to make me wary.
November 2, 2011 at 11:05 am
cheaptoy1
Well, GH did have a surprisingly convinced opinion that kg was a changeling on day 1, so I figured he could have been a changeling preying on a newb as a relatively easy target.
November 2, 2011 at 10:38 am
daneekasghost
Posting this just to be sure that I’m correct.
My understanding is that Chakotay sends in a peek, then gets a randomly determined role back, so his peeks could be right or wrong. The fact that the adobery pick was correct lends some weight to Grey’s seer claim, but doesn’t make it a sure thing that he’s the seer.
November 2, 2011 at 11:06 am
cheaptoy1
That’s what I gathered from the Chakotay descriptions. He was also told he was Odo when roles were handed out, so there’s two people who think they are Odo. That he was right on adobery is luck, but Grey is wrong with me so I know that he is either Chakotay or pretending to be Odo and is a changeling. I am leaning towards him actually being Chakotay, though.
Essentially, his absolving TDO means nothing.
November 2, 2011 at 10:22 am
meat
unvote cheaptoy
Vote Spoons
November 2, 2011 at 10:39 am
TDO
since i’m still new, who is spoons? i dont see that name as playing.
November 2, 2011 at 10:40 am
daneekasghost
spoons = spooky, there was an autocorrect incident that led to the nickname.
November 2, 2011 at 10:50 am
TDO
ok thank you.
November 2, 2011 at 10:33 am
Grey
I would like to say how nice it’s going to be to not have to write all that crap, and just post normally for my last day of life in this game.
November 2, 2011 at 10:36 am
cheaptoy1
Considering you aren’t the real Odo, you may have time yet.
November 2, 2011 at 10:36 am
TDO
reading the rules Grey is either Odo or Chakatoy (assuming he is not lying about the seer role). If he’s Chakatoy that means a 1/8 change he will get the right information.
Looking at his peeks (and assuming these really were his peaks).
Adobery was indeed a villager he got that right
Cheaptoy is an unknown
TDO i am indeed a villager.
What are the change that he gets 2 right with 1 in 8 odds? If anyone wants to keep believing I may not be a villager getting 1 right with those odds?
The flipside of this is the wolves no who they are, he can pretend to be a seer and use the information they know about that to make the false seer claim.
Ugh I am confused.
November 2, 2011 at 10:46 am
daneekasghost
If he’s Chakotay and peeking at a villager it’s more likely he would get correct info, (5 in 14 on night 1). So getting the right info on adobery is not the favored outcome, but it’s not unrealistic.
The other two I don’t have as much information as you do since I don’t know your role (although, like I said yesterday, I think you’re more likely to be a villager) so I can’t comment on the odds that he’s correct on those.
If he’s Chakotay it is unlikely that he would get correct info on a wolf or a role player.
November 2, 2011 at 11:09 am
cheaptoy1
The other possibility is that he’s a changeling and framing me while trying to deflect attention away from a second changeling in TDO.
November 2, 2011 at 11:11 am
spookymilk
That’s crossed my mind, certainly. I knew that Grey was going to come out as a seer today if he was still alive – I just hoped people would have a lot to say about it.
November 2, 2011 at 11:13 am
cheaptoy1
Best case, he’s Chakotay, worst case, he’s a changeling. Unfortunately the only thing we can really go on is his voting record, since he was hamming it up as a fake Troi for two damn days.
November 2, 2011 at 11:32 am
daneekasghost
Right, the options are:
Odo
Chakotay
Changeling
Quark
incredibly misguided villager
November 2, 2011 at 11:34 am
cheaptoy1
Right, the options are:
OdoChakotay
Changeling
Quark
incredibly misguided villager
Fixed that for you.
November 2, 2011 at 10:50 am
spookymilk
Good morning, dudes. Did I miss anything?
November 2, 2011 at 10:51 am
spookymilk
Oops, I missed subscribing to comments.
November 2, 2011 at 10:51 am
daneekasghost
same old, same old. Greek’s dead.
November 2, 2011 at 10:53 am
meat
Nope, I just finished stretching.
November 2, 2011 at 10:59 am
spookymilk
I would LOVE to know what those actresses thought when they saw they’d been written into a situation devised to give nerds boners.
November 2, 2011 at 10:51 am
TDO
Vote Spookymilk
At this time I am not sure about Grey and his visions. For now I am going to vote spooky who keeps voting me.
November 2, 2011 at 10:56 am
spookymilk
My vote for you was worthless, or at least something like it. I was convinced that kg was a seer, and in order to protect possibly killing the seer I moved my vote over to someone I thought wasn’t likely to be. I’m sorry it was you – it almost wasn’t, but I wanted to see something play out (and that something is playing out right now) – but it needed to be someone.
Of course, I was wrong about kg. I thought, in the end, that he was Chakotay so I didn’t protest his death. He was gunning hard for me, so I thought he thought he had “proof.” The fact that he was a vanillager surprised me a lot.
November 2, 2011 at 10:58 am
TDO
Were you concerned he had “proof” or that he had proof? I haven’t played a game with you yet, but I wonder about you, but maybe this is your usual style.
November 2, 2011 at 11:01 am
spookymilk
Initially, given the things he was saying (“If you’re going to kill me, at least wait so I can say what I have to say”) I thought he was an Odo, but I couldn’t have known which.
Then he started to gun hard for me, after he’d planted that seed. I thought he was Chakotay, but now I think he was just playing a little selfishly, suggesting he was the seer so people could kill someone else, when his death wasn’t an enormous blow to the Federation. If only he’d been right about me, I would have really jumped in and tried to save him.
November 2, 2011 at 11:09 am
TDO
unvote spookymilk
I believe his answers.
November 2, 2011 at 12:33 pm
rob
I’m with you on Spooky, TDO.
November 2, 2011 at 11:21 am
meat
I’m the seer. Really, I am. Or maybe I’m not.
November 2, 2011 at 11:22 am
spookymilk
If you are a seer, there is a Troi out there being very, very subtle.
November 2, 2011 at 11:24 am
spookymilk
It appears that Beau accidentally left bhiggum out of the list above, and has greekhouse listed both dead and alive. I’m going to change that if nobody minds.
November 2, 2011 at 12:46 pm
greekhouse
***BACK FROM THE DEAD***
Fuck yeah, bitches! Party in GH’s coffin.
***REDEADED***
November 2, 2011 at 11:34 am
Grey
I may mind, but I may not
November 2, 2011 at 11:43 am
meat
My mind wanders. Does your mind mind if you wander?
November 2, 2011 at 11:47 am
Grey
my mind minds your wandering hands
November 2, 2011 at 11:48 am
Grey
and eyes.
and heart.
whore.
November 2, 2011 at 11:58 am
meat
I yam what I yam. Mmmmmmmmm. Yams. Did someone say gams? I’ve got a nice set of ’em.
November 2, 2011 at 11:44 am
Beau
Thanks Spoons.
I am checking in now just to see if there were any mod questions. I may be able to check in one more time over lunch hour, but I’ll be off the grid until 6:00 pm central again.
If any dead people want to keep track of votes and post, go ahead. If anyone notices a majority (which is 6) go ahead and throw someone in jail.
Sorry I can’t be around more today. Tomorrow is bad, too, during the day.
November 2, 2011 at 12:04 pm
bhiggum
cheaptoy- Now that I think on it more, I’m really starting to suspect bhiggum. He was trying to start a GH drumbeat, which makes it suspicious now that we know he was a wanillager.
I have never gone after greekhouse, not a single vote or even a post that I suspected him of being a changeling- better recalibrate your scanner, cheaptoy.
Vote- cheaptoy
The first two days, I voted for cheaptoy. Today, he’s trying to get a vote started for me. For the third time in three days, I am voting for cheaptoy.
November 2, 2011 at 12:05 pm
cheaptoy1
Hmmm, I need to review posts from the last couple days. I could be mis-remembering this. I swear I remember you bringing up greekhouse. If I’m wrong, I will apologize.
November 2, 2011 at 12:08 pm
bhiggum
I’ve been pretty suspicious of DG, and I’ve brought that up quite a bit, so that might be what you’re thinking of.
November 2, 2011 at 12:20 pm
cheaptoy1
That is it. I apologize on the GH thing. You never even mentioned it once.
November 2, 2011 at 12:30 pm
rob
so, just out of curiosity, do you still suspect bhiggum, cheap?
November 2, 2011 at 12:31 pm
cheaptoy1
Not particularly, no. I didn’t find a whole lot to go on, although I was just skimming for greekhouse mentions.
November 2, 2011 at 12:08 pm
TDO
current votes (just trying to help out)
bhiggum voting cheaptoy
cheaptoy (2)
Daneeka’s Ghost
DK
Dread Pirate
Grey voting cheaptoy
meat voting spooky
rob
spookymilk (1)
TDO
November 2, 2011 at 12:33 pm
meat
Look fellas, I can see things. Sometimes I believe what I see and sometimes I believe what I feel, but I never believe what I feel that I see.
Unvote spooky
Vote Cheaptoy
November 2, 2011 at 12:43 pm
TDO
vote spookymilk
At first I thought I could wait another day. I’ve been reading some of the older posts and think the walls are closing in on me. I am Odo.
My first night I choose nibbish
The first night he was killed by the changlelings, is it because i joking tried to play off voting nibbish because “he’s always a villager”
Next i peeked at greekhouse after suspicions of him. I was informed he was the ensign. After trying to slowly back away my suspicions of him the next day without either of us getting attention, he was killed that night.
Because of this I think the changelings may have picked up on those subtleties and after seeing i was right both times, i think I am their choice tonight.
Last night my peak was spooky, he is a changeling!
November 2, 2011 at 12:49 pm
meat
I’d like to believe you, but I just can’t. I wish I wasn’t so wishy-washy. Or whore-y.
November 2, 2011 at 12:49 pm
spookymilk
I was somewhat sure you were a changeling before, but I’m pretty damned sure of it now.
There’s a very small chance you landed on nibbish and greek’s real roles, but I don’t think so. I frankly don’t think greekhouse and I would be particularly good picks, which is why I don’t believe you. I mean, maybe you did make a horrible couple of picks, or maybe you found something very few other people seemed to be seeing, but whatever.
The big part of it, for me, is that you’ve correctly named two people (both dead now! How convenient for you to have picked both night kills!) and you’re coming after me, and I know I’m clean.
November 2, 2011 at 12:50 pm
cheaptoy1
Alright, I see this a couple ways:
1. TDO is actually the seer and is telling the truth. It does explain the expressing “concern” over GH at the very beginning of day 2, then basically not mentioning him again. It would make sense that Spooky might have picked up on this and expressed suspicion of TDO yesterday.
2. TDO is a changeling and is trying to work up a Spookywagon because Spooky suspected him fairly confidently yesterday.
So, I’m leaning towards a vote for Spooky being the best chance at info. I would hate, at this point, to lynch TDO to find out he really is Odo. With Spooky, I think worst case, we off another ensign or we get a changeling.
I would like more evidence first, though.
November 2, 2011 at 12:54 pm
spookymilk
You’d get information, but the numbers would be awful. Assuming a night kill, day four would begin with three changelings (one known), four villagers and one Quark. That’s getting ugly.
Plus. there’s that Jem D’Haarararaar thing. If a real seer survives and gets killed by it, then the Changeling-Federation numbers are even and the game is over.
November 2, 2011 at 1:01 pm
cheaptoy1
I have to admit, the Spooky comment seems tacked on to his post, and I really don’t know why the wolves targeted nibbish on night one. I certainly don’t believe it was because of TDO’s comment. Wolves know who the villagers are and if they suspected TDO was the seer because of that comment, he’d have been gone night one, I’d think.
I’m torn right now. I really don’t want to accidentally off Odo, leaving a changeling. As it stands, I’d say the changelings are playing an awfully good game and its going to be a lot tougher than past games for us ensigns to take this one.
November 2, 2011 at 1:03 pm
cheaptoy1
I keep saying “Ensign” to refer to “villagers”. Sorry about that.
November 2, 2011 at 1:12 pm
spookymilk
If you look hard enough, you can see how the wolves would have killed nibbish, but that’s not the point. The point is, for all the tea in China I don’t believe that nibbish would be any seer’s first peek. He picked two people that have been killed to lend his story credence, and he knows he’s had too much doubt creeping his way so he’s trying to get one more villager out before he’s gone tomorrow.
With a fake seer in this game, I suppose greekhouse would make perfect sense as a night 0 peek. He’s usually dead early, so a seer could find out his role, wait for him to die and then have his confirmation. TDO wants you to believe he picked nibbish first, and that’s just horribly off, and too convenient for his story. Naming two dead, role-confirmed players and your next target is Fake Seer 101.
November 2, 2011 at 1:19 pm
rob
Spooky, I totally agree with you, except that both Grey and I named TDO as not a changeling, so either Grey chose really poorly in his guess (assuming he’s the fake), TDO is insane – pretending to be a Odo as a villager or as Kirk, or Beau is really just messing around with all of us.
I know I was named Odo (though no one else knows that), which makes me think that TDO really is the seer and is just playing a really crappy game (but he’s relatively new, so…)
November 2, 2011 at 12:50 pm
spookymilk
Vote TDO
November 2, 2011 at 12:52 pm
greekhouse
***DEAD AND OT***
So I see that I can watch both DS9 and Next Gen. on Netflix. I’ve never really watched Star Trek. If I were to start, which series would be the way to go?
***DEAD***
November 2, 2011 at 12:55 pm
spookymilk
One of those, but Beau has reminded me that the first season of TNG is pretty awful. I’m not the #1 guy to ask or anything, but I’ve seen enough of those two to know that the highs are high for both.
November 2, 2011 at 1:07 pm
meat
Okay, As your seer I command you to kill Spookymilk because I’m thirsty for his loins. Or you should kill Cheaptoy because he’s a wolfling. Or you should off me and find out that I am not your seer, or maybe I am.
November 2, 2011 at 1:07 pm
TDO
I’ve never lied in this game, what more do you want from me?
November 2, 2011 at 1:11 pm
rob
Okay guys, I am really confused now – and the reason is that I was also assigned the role of Odo. My picks were, in order,
Spookymilk – villager – I wanted to know where he stood before the game started
Greekhouse – declared a villager – asked about him figuring that that he’d probably end up dead soon, giving me at least a hint about my seer-ness
TDO – Captain Kirk – I just couldn’t get a good read on him and thought he was acting a little odd.
I was tempted to come out earlier, but didn’t want to give Kirk’s identity away. It seems likely that I am Chakatoy, given my peak at TDO and Greek (I was told he was Federation with no specific role), which should help sort out the seer mess above.
At a guess, I would say that Grey (fake seer combined with not getting killed either night despite the troi act) and Spooky (TDO’s vision) are wolves, and that Cheaptoy is in the clear, which really burns me because I was pretty sure he was trouble.
November 2, 2011 at 1:14 pm
meat
I’m shocked (shocked!) that there are more than three people claiming to be odo, oh, wait, that’s right I’m not that shocked. I’m just feeling very, very, very hungry, or maybe that’s just the booze talking.
November 2, 2011 at 1:15 pm
spookymilk
A fake Chakotay play, perhaps? What the hell is going on?
November 2, 2011 at 1:23 pm
rob
I’m wondering what’s going on, too. (I really won’t be surprised if Beau came along and said “oops, I accidentally gave X the wrong information” at this point).
I haven’t really been suspected by anyone to this date, so if I was a wolf, why the hell would I do this? I am only defending TDO because I think he really is the seer, but if we were a changelings, it’d be absolutely idiotic of me to do this.
November 2, 2011 at 1:22 pm
The Dread Pirate
I don’t know which of the Odo plays to believe, but none of them seem especially believable. I’m also not sure TDO would make an Odo play if he was Captain Kirk because it would seem to make him a target for both the villagers (if he’s proven wrong) or the changlings (if he accidentally seemed to be right).
However, neither of Gray’s or TDO’s lists strike me as any more plausible as yours, so we’ll have to spend some time working this out.
November 2, 2011 at 1:26 pm
cheaptoy1
Well, I can guarantee you that Grey is not Odo because I am Federation. I also agree that rob is not Odo because TDO is not Kirk.
November 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm
meat
well, if he is Kirk then I want to see his log, and if he’s not kirk I still want to see his log.
November 2, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Grey
so you peeked spooky as a seer but also think he’s a wolf. this is a terrible fake seer play.
November 2, 2011 at 2:30 pm
rob
Peeked him as a villager. He came up with the fake seer thing all on his own.
November 2, 2011 at 1:12 pm
TDO
If I were a changeling and haven’t really been pushed hard for a vote why would i speak up now?
As a changeling in disguise i draw attention to myself by saying I’m Odo, as what spooky is now pushing for me.
Or he is now pushing for me because he is a changeling as I say he is and if i survive another night chances are i find a 2nd changeling. Either way I die tonight, but either way the village needs to heed my words. At first I thought I may have been the fake odo, but after being informed that gh is the ensign i knew i was the real one. I wasn’t told he was a villager, i was told he was the ensign specifically.
November 2, 2011 at 1:14 pm
spookymilk
It makes perfect sense for you to speak up now. You cheated death twice and you know you can’t again.
November 2, 2011 at 1:15 pm
TDO
How did i cheat death twice when you were the only one who voted for me on back to back days? You are making a very strong push at me and not the other “Odo” which shows that I am the real one as you didn’t push this hard for kg as you are now for me.
November 2, 2011 at 1:17 pm
spookymilk
Why would I go after the other “Odo” when the only thing I know for sure is the fact that you’re lying?
Go through my posts day after day…I’ve been saying I doubted Grey all game long, and I suggested we could just wait him out to either screw up, or as I was suggesting earlier today, watch his inevitable seer play and see what it meant.
November 2, 2011 at 1:18 pm
cheaptoy1
Well this got out of hand quickly. I balls fake seer plays, they make things interesting.
Anyway:
vote Grey
At this point, he’s the one I am 100% certain is not Odo because of his claiming to peek me as a changeling. I don’t believe rob is Odo, because there’s no way TDO is Kirk. It would seem dumb of Kirk to make a fake seer play. I can definitely see a changeling making a fake Troi play followed by a fake Odo play when the Troi well dried up. (although to hear her talk, I don’t think she ever dries up, ammiright?)
Anywho, I can see this as a safe vote, but I don’t think it gives a load of info. The night kill will tell us a lot though.
November 2, 2011 at 1:20 pm
meat
although to hear her talk, I don’t think she ever dries up, ammiright?
These doors are closed to you, mister.
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I just can’t stay mad at you.
November 2, 2011 at 1:27 pm
bhiggum
So if we combine the three seer plays with the way cheaptoy is viewing this-
Grey is fake (likely changeling)
spooky is a changeling
TDO is Odo
rob is Chakatoy
cheaptoy is Federation
I need more time to mull this over.
November 2, 2011 at 1:21 pm
bhiggum
Unvote- cheaptoy
There’s a lot going on here, and I’m pretty unsure of how it’s going to fall out right now. The changelings have done an excellent job of eliminating the people that I believed to be Federation, so I don’t have many players that I trust in right now. We have one Odo, one Chakatoy, and one fake seer. Time for some serious adobery/AMR analysis by someone who isn’t adobery/AMR, I guess.
November 2, 2011 at 1:23 pm
TDO
Yeah the fake seer things is pretty awesome and makes it very confusing, for you all. If you don’t kill spookymilk tommorrow, you will the next day, because my death will be enough proof that I am the real Odo. I dont want to be killed, but I at least will provide the village 1 changeling so my death will not be for naught.
November 2, 2011 at 1:23 pm
TDO
ugh i meant if you dont today you will tommorrow.
November 2, 2011 at 1:25 pm
spookymilk
If they kill me today, there may not be a tomorrow because of the Jem D’Harrrrggh thing.
November 2, 2011 at 1:26 pm
rob
I think the thing to do now is go after grey. Whatever he is will tell us a lot more about TDO, Spooky, Cheaptoy, and myself. Worst case, he really is the seer/chakotay, and that tells us a lot, too.
Vote Grey
November 2, 2011 at 1:31 pm
spookymilk
You guys are going to hate me if you don’t already, but I was told I was an Odo.
On night 0, I looked at kg2005. It said he was a villager, and I immediately started trying to kill him because first and foremost, I wanted to see if I was Odo.
On night 1, I looked at meat, because of all the ways to find out I was Odo, this seemed like a good one. It came up with Troi, and kg ended up dying as a villager, so I felt pretty good about things.
Last night I looked at The Dread Pirate, particularly because I thought other wolves were tipping their hands – TDO and Grey, in my mind – and I wanted to know what was up with him. I was told DPWY is Captain Kirk, which makes sense to me given the late vote on the first night that ended up not counting.
November 2, 2011 at 1:35 pm
cheaptoy1
Well isn’t this just a peach?
Anyway, this solidifies my Grey vote as being the best and safest way to figure something out.
November 2, 2011 at 2:15 pm
daneekasghost
it does? why?
November 2, 2011 at 1:35 pm
TDO
you wanted to kill a villager just for verification you were odo, come on thats the best you can come up with?
The rest of your comments make me think that The Dread Pirate is also a changeling which was/is going to be my next peak tonight.
November 2, 2011 at 1:38 pm
spookymilk
“Best I could come up with?”
It’s easily the best play. If he’d come up as someone useful like Kirk I wouldn’t have done it, but it’s valuable for the seer – especially if it’s me, since I usually die early – to know if he’s the seer. Any way I could figure out if I was the seer – save for killing the real seer, in the case I was Chakotay – was acceptable to me.
November 2, 2011 at 1:40 pm
TDO
but what if you were chakatoy and kg was kirk or odo, then you would have really hampered the village which is why you shouldn’t kill someone to verify who you really are.
November 2, 2011 at 1:45 pm
spookymilk
Dude, if I was Chakotay, then I was in the position of just stabbing in the dark like any old vanillager. If he wasn’t a real vanillager, it’s not like there was any confirmation that he was with the Federation. Finding out if I was Odo was the best thing for my game. No matter who I killed, if it had been someone else, there was a chance that the person was going to be Odo or Kirk. The fact that you’re overlooking this screams that you’re a wolf, in addition to the fact that I already kinda know that you are.
November 2, 2011 at 1:38 pm
cheaptoy1
Honestly, I think with Chakotay, trying to get your first peek killed is a good idea, although it would have been better if he’d had a special role.
I’m going to do Grey today, then take a good look at you tomorrow.
November 2, 2011 at 1:44 pm
rob
I actually think that DP is Kirk, which spooky knows since he was the target last night. His thinking is that if he implicates Grey and one of meat/DP are killed (with the correct role being revealed), that will be decent confirmation that he’s in the clear, and he can continue in the clear. That seems like a dubious strategy to me, but it isn’t too bad, considering what has happened today. I still think grey would tell us more, but I think spooky is a little rotten, too (nothing personal).
If the vote is close, I will be happy to move my vote over to spooks.
November 2, 2011 at 1:51 pm
The Dread Pirate
I’m not sure I understand your reasoning here but I would like to be enlightened.
If you think I’m Kirk, but you posted above that TDO is Kirk, does that mean you are already conceding you aren’t Odo? Also, if you think I’m Kirk, why would that make spooky rotten?
I’m just really confused.
November 2, 2011 at 1:57 pm
daneekasghost
rob is not Odo. He said that himself.
It would seem that Kirk was targeted last night (GH killed in his place) and the changelings now know the identity of Kirk.
If spooky is correct about your role as Kirk, either he’s odo or he’s a changeling (or he made a pretty good educated guess).
November 2, 2011 at 1:59 pm
rob
I’m sure that I’m not the seer, since both Beau’s responses to GH (regular Federation – no special role) and TDO (Captain Kirk) fly in the face of what has been shown today. As I said above, if I wasn’t a seer, I think that this play would be utterly idiotic, since the only benefit is to cement TDO’s position as the true Odo.
Based on this, I think spooky is a wolf. If he is, then it’d make sense to make a plausible sounding story without pointing the finger at other wolves (in case he goes down, he doesn’t want to take others with him). Meat is an easy target as Troi, and I think you are a reasonable target, assuming that they targeted you yesterday and found out that GH died, instead. This way, if either meat or you goes before spooky, it helps his seer case, but if he gets voted off in the near term, he doesn’t hurt his teams chances.
November 2, 2011 at 2:01 pm
spookymilk
Rob, if I’m a wolf, it doesn’t help to point out who’s clean, either. Fake seer plays are incredibly risky for this reason.
I thought I was going to be able to wait until late today for this. No such luck.
November 2, 2011 at 2:03 pm
cheaptoy1
I don’t think Kirk was necessarily targeted last night. Its entirely likely that GH was targeted and he just happened to be the Ensign.
November 2, 2011 at 2:08 pm
rob
Spooky, I agree with you, but now that grey has come out, it’s pretty much acknowledged that meat is troi, so there is no risk there. DP is the only real reach, and my take is that you made an educated guess at someone you knew to gain credibility, since as you noted above, just naming dead people isn’t a great way to convince people.
November 2, 2011 at 1:32 pm
TDO
I die tonight either way, so I’m sticking with spookymilk and asking all villagers to rally with me.
November 2, 2011 at 1:40 pm
daneekasghost
Things that are clear.
Rob is not Odo. Most likely he is Chakotay. If he is a changeling or Quark, this is a reasonable play, because no one will look twice at him for the rest of the game (until the real Chakotay is killed), but it’s not like he was in danger when he came out.
Grey is not Odo. TDO is not a vanillager (or he’s incredibly misguided). If rob is Chakotay (my current assumption), Grey is a changeling or Quark. If he’s Quark the lack of a Troi kill on night 1 makes sense, since the wolves would have tried to kill Grey, bargained for him to peek one of the villagers, then acted on that information. If he’s a changeling, the lack of a Troi kill on night 1 also makes some sense, since it would have outed him as a fake Troi immediately.
That leaves TDO. His picks seem convenient, but he’s the only Odo that makes sense.
vote: spooky
November 2, 2011 at 1:42 pm
daneekasghost
crap. Now I see spooky’s comment. hang on….
November 2, 2011 at 1:44 pm
daneekasghost
well, that didn’t change my mind.
November 2, 2011 at 1:48 pm
TDO
Let’s make this simple. I was never targeted very long, so if i were a changeling why come out and draw attention to myself as a fake seer?
If I am a regular villager, why come out and draw attention to myself as a fake seer when enough of those have been stepping forward.
I didn’t notice the pattern of my peeks getting killed as i thought grey bought me another night of peek which may net 2 changelings instead of coming out with 1 and being killed.
All the speculation has resulted in me deciding the following:
spookymilk – changeling (thats a lock)
rob-changeling
grey-chakatalk
November 2, 2011 at 1:53 pm
daneekasghost
so if i were a changeling why come out and draw attention to myself as a fake seer?
Doesn’t this also apply to rob? The only discussion of rob in two days was, “hey, where’s rob?” and “huh, I wonder why he’s quiet”
bhiggum is the only person to have even put a vote on him in 3 days (day 1 before noon). If he’s a changeling, he should have ridden that lack of suspicion for as long as it carried him.
November 2, 2011 at 1:52 pm
TDO
does anyone else find it odd that spooky is the only one continuing to say I am a wolf with conviction?
He voted for me day 1
He voted for me day 2
He is voting for me day 3
He will kill me tonight
November 2, 2011 at 2:02 pm
spookymilk
There is nothing odd about a person who’s been good at finding wolves finding a wolf.
November 2, 2011 at 1:53 pm
The Dread Pirate
By the way, where in the galaxy is DK?
November 2, 2011 at 2:14 pm
dkautz
Trying to figure out what the hell is going on here.
November 2, 2011 at 2:15 pm
rob
Odos… lots and lots of Odos…
November 2, 2011 at 2:17 pm
daneekasghost
more like NOdos, amirite?
November 2, 2011 at 2:29 pm
daneekasghost
apparently I am not rite.
November 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm
strategery
*** I AM NOT PLAYING ***
You are all trapped on the holodeck.
*** NERDIEST THING I’VE EVER SAID ***
November 2, 2011 at 2:34 pm
dkautz
As I alluded to, I am here, and I’ve read through everything today. I’m not a Troi, but I have no idea what to do with all this yet (this happens to be my first game experience with multiple seer plays since I was either dead or not playing in the other ones). I have a lot of other work to do this afternoon so I probably won’t post much unless or until I figure some things out.
November 2, 2011 at 2:35 pm
Grey
So. Rob comes out as Odo, claims to have peeked Spooky as sees he’s a villager, and then in his next post claims that he thinks spooky is a changeling…. terrible fake seer play.
TDO conveniently comes out as Odo after posts regarding his changeling-y-ness and possible votes against him…
Spooky I haven’t peeked but am always suspicious about after our first game together anyway….so I don’t know.
i’m confident TDO is a villager, as I’m confident in my peeks.
**** I’m going to get killed tonight by the changelings anyway, so lynching me will be a waste of time. If I’m still around tomorrow you have way more information than if you lynch me tonight, which I won’t be so seriously….****
My vote stands at cheaptoy because I believe I’m the true Odo. I’m the only one who has been consistent in my play and voting throughout, and my history, if you read my posts and voting history will prove this.
Lynching me will get us nothing, letting me die tonight to the changelings will.
Cheaptoy is a changeling.
that is all.
November 2, 2011 at 2:42 pm
dkautz
You’re bashing Rob for a fake Odo play, but ignoring that Rob’s stated he believes he is Chakotay.
November 2, 2011 at 2:46 pm
daneekasghost
yeah, I’m not sure people are reading rob’s full post (the Dread Pirate made the same mistake above).
rob is not claiming to be Odo. He’s claiming to have been given the role of Odo but to actually be Chakotay.
I was waiting to see if Grey was Quark or not, but at this point I’m thinking he’s not.
November 2, 2011 at 3:10 pm
The Dread Pirate
You are correct, DG. I read rob’s post too quickly without digesting all the key points.
November 2, 2011 at 3:13 pm
daneekasghost
I blame it on fake-seer fatigue. Getting past the “Oh God, another one to unpack” initial response is tough.
November 2, 2011 at 3:16 pm
The Dread Pirate
Very, very true.
November 2, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Grey
I guess I missed that post….
November 2, 2011 at 2:54 pm
rob
Yea, apparently I need to be clearer in my comments – I am not Odo!!! I am
CheaptoyChakotay!TDO is either Odo or a moron (in which case, sorry Grey).
Assuming that TDO is not a moron, both Spooky and Grey are wolves, and should be voted off as soon as possible. Either one works at this point.
November 2, 2011 at 2:57 pm
spookymilk
You’re going to assume that TDO isn’t a moron after the last game?
…sorry, TDO, but I am extremely frustrated with the fact that you have what I feel is an intrinsically obvious fake seer play going and yet there are people on your side.
…that, and I have negotiations going that are leaving me pissed every second. I should probably be drinking.
November 2, 2011 at 3:03 pm
daneekasghost
It has nothing to do with TDO’s state of moronicalness.
Who else makes any sense as Odo?
Grey – claims TDO is a vanilla Federation-er. Clearly not.
Rob – has multiple things that don’t add up
spooky – has changed his story drastically from the beginning of the day, immediately after he was named by TDO.
Who is Chakotay and who is Quark and who is a changeling among those three is a discussion that will happen, but what we know now is that TDO makes the most sense as Odo and he says spooky is a changeling.
November 2, 2011 at 3:07 pm
spookymilk
Well, of course my story is going to change drastically if I’m trying to hide the fact that I’m Odo until I have to. You’ve played before, yes?
F*&^, man. I’m riled. I need to step away. This was a bad time for big-dollar negotiations to shoehorn their way into my life.
November 2, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Grey
that last post I tried to write while on the phone with a client… I see I didn’t make a couple of things clear…
1: TDO is making a weird and lame fake seer play, but I don’t think he’s a changeling. I have peeked him and he is federation.
2: I will be dead tomorrow anyway, so it’s wasted votes when I have peeked a changeling – cheaptoy.
I’ve been consistent throughout this game, and I think that should stand for itself as a good reason to vote cheaptoy.
November 2, 2011 at 2:44 pm
spookymilk
Dude, you’re either Chakotay, or a wolf, or a fake Chakotay…I don’t know how anything should be defined right now.
I would suggest voting for myself, or for TDO, unless someone gives me a reason to believe I’m not a seer in which case I’ll back off.
I just don’t see your picks holding a ton of water, and we can get to the you vs. Rob discussion later, maybe, but if we focus on four Odos instead of two, it’ll be potentially easier for wolves or Quark to swoop in for a bandwagon.
November 2, 2011 at 2:44 pm
rob
I’m fine with waiting for you to get killed tomorrow, since if you aren’t, as you say, you’ll be a suspect tomorrow. I’m guessing that TDO will be on the block tonight, though I may end up going, instead.
Unvote Grey
Vote Spookymilk
November 2, 2011 at 2:56 pm
TDO
voting status
bhiggum voting cheaptoy
cheaptoy (3) voting Grey
Daneeka’s Ghost
DK
Dread Pirate
Grey (1) voting cheaptoy
meat voting cheaptoy
rob voting spooky
spookymilk (2) vote TDO
TDO (1) voting spooky
November 2, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Grey
I’m still not sold on rob as odo or chakotay, but I did go back and read the full post, which makes a lot more sense to me…
I can’t see switching my vote at this point, because I have no reason to believe that it would be wrong. I feel a bandwagon coming against me soon, and I know I won’t be around later to defend myself until the end, so I’m just going head to my next meeting saying:
I don’t buy spooky’s seer play, but I don’t buy rob’s either (rob more than spooky).
The only vote I am confident in is cheaptoy, and for two reasons:
1: I peeked him and he was confirmed a changeling.
2: His only argument against this (just in case I am chakotay, which I really don’t think I am) has been “no i’m not. i mean, i know my voting history points to otherwise, but I’m not.”
November 2, 2011 at 3:07 pm
rob
The main thing in my favor, I think, is that there was no reason whatsoever for me to have come out as an Odo/Chakotay at that point unless I actually was one. I haven’t been suspected of anything to this point and all that play did was draw attention to me.
If TDO is a villager playing seer for who knows what reason, I still think I am Chakotay (rather than Odo, based on the GH and TDO peeks), but I have no idea what to think after that. I have been playing under the assumption that TDO isn’t an idiot, but like Spooky says, that could be a mistake on my part.
November 2, 2011 at 4:20 pm
cheaptoy1
I am Federation and I think my efforts at trying to find the wolves show that. I don’t believe my voting record has been changeling-y at all, as my vote for adobery was based on fake seering and because I didn’t believe kg was wolfy enough to be voted out on day 1. I was wrong on adobery, but hey, that’s easy enough to do on day 1. (and it really was a weird seer play.)
My vote for kg was due to his continued wolfishness on day two. Granted, that was incorrect, but that’ll happen with a new person under attack.
The rest of my time has been spent trying to figure out who the wolves are, and the fact that you tried to finger me as a changeling makes you either Chakotay, or a changeling yourself.
November 2, 2011 at 2:58 pm
meat
unvote cheaptoy
vote Spoons .
November 2, 2011 at 3:15 pm
TDO
I’m very confident that Grey is a wolf now.
PS Spookymilk no offense taken at the moron comment, its a game all in good fun 🙂
November 2, 2011 at 3:29 pm
daneekasghost
Either one tells us who the seer is. You’re the only Odo that makes sense. Thus I will vote based on your peek.
Grey is a fine choice as well, but less surely a changeling in my book. I would put down a fair chunk of change that he gets lynched tomorrow.
November 2, 2011 at 3:30 pm
daneekasghost
this is in response to the comment below. oops.
November 2, 2011 at 3:16 pm
TDO
I think our best plan of attack after the whole Grey thing coming to the surface is voting Grey tonight, then when i get killed by the changelings, it confirms that I am 100% Odo and that indeed spookymilk is a changeling.
November 2, 2011 at 3:17 pm
TDO
TDOdo’s choices for wolves:
1-spookymilk – lock
2-Grey
3-Rob
4-Dreadpirate
November 2, 2011 at 3:30 pm
daneekasghost
I like your first two choices…
November 2, 2011 at 3:34 pm
spookymilk
I actually like his second choice just fine, but I don’t like that I like it.
November 2, 2011 at 3:34 pm
TDO
TDOdo’s Who’s Who’s (ignore earlier choices for wolves, i went and re-read)
Grey Changeling
meat Troi
rob Chakotay
spookymilk Chageling
TDO Odo
unknowns
bhiggum
cheaptoy
Daneeka’s Ghost
DK
Dread Pirate
November 2, 2011 at 4:13 pm
TDO
voting status
bhiggum voting cheaptoy
cheaptoy (2) voting Grey
Daneeka’s Ghost
DK
Dread Pirate
Grey (1) voting cheaptoy
meat voting spooky
rob voting spooky
spookymilk (3) vote TDO
TDO (1) voting spooky
November 2, 2011 at 4:24 pm
cheaptoy1
Fellas, I’m pretty certain rob is the Chakotay because of the TDO as Kirk claim. I can’t see a changeling making a fake seer play and trying to finger TDO as Kirk after his Odo play.
That means Grey is not Chakotay and is likely a changeling. I’d say he’s the best vote today. If he does turn out to be Chakotay, then rob is a changeling.
November 2, 2011 at 4:30 pm
TDO
The only problem with voting grey tonight and not spooky is the changelings could, in theory not kill me, to try and make it look like i am a changeling and which would also save spooky.
November 2, 2011 at 4:33 pm
cheaptoy1
They could, although at this point I’m pretty certain Grey is a changeling himself.
November 2, 2011 at 4:33 pm
spookymilk
Pish. No way the seer survives tonight. You suggest this because you were ready to sacrifice yourself, or maybe Grey, but not both.
November 2, 2011 at 4:43 pm
TDO
I know I wont survive the night, i am just saying in theory with you as a confirmed changeling, if we go grey, you and the other changeling could decide not to kill me to make it appear that I am not the seer because why wouldn’t you kill me off before i discover another changeling.
November 2, 2011 at 4:14 pm
rob
So, assuming that I don’t get voted off, what are people’s thoughts on who I look at during the overnights? On one hand, a peek at a wolf could kill either Odo (likely TDO) or I, so it might be a good idea for me to limit my picks to players I know aren’t a danger.
On the other hand, I could tell the village/starship who I am going to peek at and I get killed by a Jem’Hadar, then you know that person is a changling, with the downside that there are 2 innocents killed overnight.
There are pluses and minuses each way, but I wanted to let the village weigh in on this before I did either one.
November 2, 2011 at 4:21 pm
spookymilk
Not that you care what I have to say because you think I’m a Changeling, but if you believe yourself to be Chakotay, you shouldn’t peek at all. The numbers might be close enough by then that you shouldn’t take the risk and should refuse a peek.
You haven’t particularly explained why you think that he’s a more likely Odo, but in believing this you’ve said “because he isn’t a moron” and yet you believe him when he says he peeked at nibbish on night 0. nibbish? For real? You also think I know DP is Kirk because I targeted him last night. You think it’s more likely that the wolves targeted Will than it is that they just plain intended to kill greekhouse?
November 2, 2011 at 4:28 pm
rob
I’ll answer your last point first – the wolves killed nibbish the first night, despite him being pretty much entirely an non-entity during the first day. If the wolves were really concerned about GH, I would have guessed that they would have gone for him right away. With this logic, I think it isn’t too far fetched that the wolves targeted DP the second night, since he had a very similar profile (had made a few waves with his late vote on day 1, but wasn’t too involved). This would also give you the knowledge that DPWY is the good captain. I don’t really know this, it was just a compelling scenario that explains your picks. Maybe you are really ballsy and the dread pirate is in cahoots. Heck, you could be clean and Grey and TDO could be working together to frame you and cheaptoy.
November 2, 2011 at 4:30 pm
spookymilk
The latter is my theory, although you knew that already.
The day after it happened I looked at his posts, and I believe nibbish was killed on night one because he was beating the drum about finding and killing Quark quite a bit, which may have led to the wolves believing he was one of the Odos.
November 2, 2011 at 4:33 pm
The Dread Pirate
How does having the villagers waste time finding Quark hurt the changelings and make them want to cut off that source of deflection?
November 2, 2011 at 4:36 pm
spookymilk
Deflection isn’t as useful for the wolves as a dead seer. If they thought that the seer was the person most likely to want Quark dead even after that kind of chatter had stopped, maybe they thought nibbish was the seer. I don’t think it’s a huge leap. I certainly don’t see another great reason for it.
November 2, 2011 at 4:44 pm
The Dread Pirate
And why would a seer want Quark dead more than a standard villager? I would think a seer would especially not care because he’s the only one actually able to confirm Quark’s identity, so he can subtly steer conversation in other directions.
November 2, 2011 at 4:46 pm
spookymilk
Will, Quark wins when he kills the seer. It’s Quark’s only goal.
November 2, 2011 at 4:49 pm
The Dread Pirate
My reading comprehension is atrocious today.
November 2, 2011 at 4:57 pm
rob
I guess one of my questions is, should the seer care if quark wins? From the initial day, Odo is Federation and wins with the Federation. As long as the all the changelings are gotten, I wouldn’t think that Odo would really care. That’s how I’d been playing, anyway.
November 2, 2011 at 5:01 pm
spookymilk
Well, the seers have to care initially. Once the game goes this long and the seers are forced to come out, then they can stop caring to some degree. Now that I’ve narrowed Quark down to three people, I finally don’t care who it is anymore…not much. Still, I’ll be watching what they do with me and TDO.
November 2, 2011 at 5:17 pm
daneekasghost
I would say tonight, look at meat. I feel like he’s pretty safely Troi (so no soldier guarding his door) and it will allow you to look at anyone without a confirmed role in future nights.
November 2, 2011 at 4:43 pm
TDO
spooky you dont see another great reason for it or is that the actual rationale you 3 used?
November 2, 2011 at 4:45 pm
spookymilk
“Confirmed changeling,” you say, and now this ridiculous (but obvious) snark. You are SO transparent to me, it’s driving me wild.
November 2, 2011 at 5:06 pm
dkautz
I’m leaning towards Grey being the best vote tonight and then seeing who dies overnight. I’m confident enough in Rob being Chakotay, at least for now. That means, to me, we likely have at least one changeling making a seer play, as well as the real Odo and probably Quark (or another changeling). I can’t fathom a reason why a vanillager or Kirk would make a seer play, other than indeed being a moron.
To me, that means that Grey is most likely to not be the seer since he fingered TDO as a vanillager. If they really are both changelings, then killing Grey will get us one, at least. Or if Grey is one and TDO is the seer, and he dies, then we have Spooky tomorrow. If Grey is Quark, then we at least don’t hurt our numbers as much and we can see what we can glean from the overnight death. If Grey really is Odo, then at least we have Cheaptoy tomorrow.
If we kill Spooky and he’s the seer, then we have the likelihood that at least one of Grey or TDO is a changeling without complete confirmation (that I can see, anyway) since one of them could still be Quark.
There’s always the possibility of holes in my thinking, though, so what does everyone else think?
November 2, 2011 at 5:09 pm
rob
I’m good with that.
Changing vote below.
November 2, 2011 at 5:11 pm
cheaptoy1
Well, I am in complete agreement that a Grey vote is best. I’m pretty confident he’s either Chakotay or a changeling, and if he’s Chakotay, then I’m pretty confident rob is a changeling.
November 2, 2011 at 5:11 pm
cheaptoy1
And I should note that I’m quite confident rob is Chakotay as well, which means Grey is the changeling.
November 2, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Grey
this is terrible logic and only confirms that you’re a changeling… this constant redirection of other peoples posts to reiterate your campaign against me is frustrating, though obviously effective.
November 2, 2011 at 5:21 pm
daneekasghost
Not sure it makes much difference, but Grey works for me.
My only hesitation is that by killing Grey we’re relying on the wolves to confirm the seer status of spooky or TDO – they probably will, but, then again, they also killed nibbish on night 1, so I’m wary of predicting their moves.
November 2, 2011 at 5:43 pm
dkautz
Right, that’s the biggest point of concern I see. They could well leave us tomorrow with TDO and Spooky both alive and claiming they’ve seen someone else (Spooky could easily just claim he saw TDO is a wolf; TDO would have to point a finger at someone else).
There’s also the possibility that the wolves kill someone else, and one of them dies anyway by Jem’Hadar, which would hurt our numbers a lot but at least confirm someone. If you think the risks here are bigger than voting for TDO or Spooky, I’d be all ears; since I still think Grey is the least likely to be Odo, I don’t think a vote for anyone else (including Cheaptoy) makes the most sense tonight.
November 2, 2011 at 5:54 pm
daneekasghost
I still think Grey is the least likely to be Odo.
This is probably the most compelling argument. If he’s Quark that hurts us a little bit, but it seems like he would have said something if that were the case. If he’s Chakotay, then I’m the least perceptive werewolf player ever.
If this induces the wolves to leave the seer alive for one more night, I think that’s a villager win in and of itself (even though we would have to figure out which one to believe, once we got it, we’d have enough info to be in an almost unassailable position).
I’ll switch my vote.
November 2, 2011 at 5:07 pm
rob
Well, I am going to be pretty scarce around here for most of tonight (going out to dinner with friends and then heading to the local Y for some rock climbing), but I hope to be able to check in at least once in the time being.
Enjoy the evening, all, and we’ll see what tomorrow brings.
November 2, 2011 at 5:10 pm
rob
unvote spooky
vote grey
November 2, 2011 at 5:21 pm
spookymilk
Off to take the kids swimming. It’s for the best, since I can’t walk away from this game any other way.
I like the Grey vote, but I doubt there’s any point in changing anything if I’m likely to come back to changes anyway.
November 2, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Grey
A vote for me only confirms that I’m Odo, that cheaptoy is a wolf. Then he federation loses two more and the changelings get one step closer to victory.
listen. If you are on the fence with me as chakotay or a changeling, how does that make me a good vote? I’ve been consistent in my voting, and my peeks have worked in our favor, its just the redirection of cheaptoy, and for some reason TDO, and rob that are causing votes to go against me.
seriously. It is a terrible idea to vote me today, when we can learn so much more by voting cheaptoy. Number one we confirm That I’m odo. TDO is chakotay as I know he’s federation and claiming seer, rob is most likely a wolf as he’s working with cheaptoy to drum up votes against me with shoddy logic and redirection…
TDO if you would back off that bandwagon and re-read some posts I feel it’ll be pretty obvious to you that rob and cheaptoy are working together, and started doing so as soon as I named cheaptoy. not to mention robs pretty shoddy seer play, conveniently coming shortly after mine and claiming “i have no reason to do this!” well, of course you do, you’re working with cheaptoy and trying to get the seer lynched so you can take out both seers in one night.
I obviously made a mistake with the fake troi play, but I thought it would keep the changelings off my back so I could make some peeks and get the advantage for the federation. now that I have that shot to get us in the lead, it’s all unraveling and driving me crazy….
anyway.
November 2, 2011 at 5:49 pm
dkautz
If TDO was Chakotay, and you looked him up, wouldn’t you have seen he was Chakotay and not a Federation vanilager (which I guess is not outright stated in your seer reveal post, but is at least the implication I get from it)?
November 2, 2011 at 5:37 pm
daneekasghost
TDO, looking at your latest voting update, you have not included bhiggum’s unvote of cheaptoy, so it’s currently
spooky – 3 (DG, meat, TDO)
Grey – 2 (cheaptoy, rob)
cheaptoy – 1 (Grey)
not voting: spooky, bhiggum, DK, and the Dread Pirate
November 2, 2011 at 6:15 pm
spookymilk
I was voting, but I’m changing it anyway, so whatever.
November 2, 2011 at 6:20 pm
daneekasghost
Whoops! so you were. Nobody pay attention to the crazy man with the test tube.
November 2, 2011 at 5:54 pm
daneekasghost
unvote: spooky — vote: Grey
November 2, 2011 at 6:16 pm
spookymilk
Unvote TDO, vote Grey
If TDO leaves me alive tonight after planting that seed earlier, I don’t want to look like the guy who kept voting for TDO. In any event, I’m pretty sure about Grey anyway.
November 2, 2011 at 6:24 pm
daneekasghost
Let’s try this one more time.
.
.
bhiggum
cheaptoy (1) voting Grey
Daneeka’s Ghost voting Grey
DK
Dread Pirate
Grey (4) voting cheaptoy
meat voting spooky
rob voting Grey
spookymilk (2) voting Grey
TDO voting spooky
November 2, 2011 at 6:39 pm
The Dread Pirate
Ok, before night gets declared early – I am Captain Kirk. My late attempt at changing my vote on Day 1 was an absolutely stupid and awful move by me (little did you all know, Day 1 ended in a tie – thank goodness adobery “won” that coin toss), to avoid getting outed too early. Given how incredibly stupid that move was, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the changelings (and spooky if he’s with them) figured it out. I guess I’m better off as a plain old wanillager.
Now, at least, the changelings can come after me tonight and the real seers will definitely get another pass (although I see that is probably likely anyway). Also, rob, I totally agree with DG about peeking on meat to be safe and if we both live another day, you can peak on me to staff alive as well.
I just wanted to publicly confirm my role, so spooky (if he is not Odo) cannot absolutely run with the info tomorrow with me being silent and him having “outed” me.
November 2, 2011 at 6:45 pm
TDO
Grey is a wolf plain and simple. The real seer gets very specific info about who their peeks are. IE i saw greekhouse was the ensign, i wasnt told he was federation, but specifially the ensign.
Grey keeps trying to trumph my real knowledge for what other reason than he is a changeling. I think the best bet is to still vote spooky tonight to verify that i am TDodo and everyone else is just false. if people really want grey i’ll go with the village but not until we get a 5th…i just everyone would listen to the noob for once.
November 2, 2011 at 6:49 pm
daneekasghost
I think you’ll be verified one way or the other tonight regardless of the vote.
November 2, 2011 at 6:53 pm
spookymilk
“Grey is a wolf, plain and simple”
“the best bet is still to vote spooky tonight to verify…”
I get what you’re trying to pull off by “clearing your name,” but why should anyone care about the me vs. you thing if they feel 100% they’ve got a wolf? If you’re the real seer, then Grey (a probable wolf) dies today, you die tonight, and I die tomorrow. The only real good reason to insist on voting me first is to get the numbers in your favor. If you think everyone believes you, you can probably shut up now. You’re overcompensating on top of your ridiculous seer play.
It might be best to get info about the seer if the numbers weren’t so in danger of getting out of hand, but a surefire wolf going down would ensure that Jem Hagar the Horrible won’t create a tie tonight, thus killing the Federation’s chances.
November 2, 2011 at 6:54 pm
cheaptoy1
Aside from thinking Spooky is a better vote than Grey, we’re in agreement on Grey’s changeling status. That makes two agreements this game!
November 2, 2011 at 6:47 pm
meat
Wow. What a day. My. My. My. Lots of choices. But I’m not budging. or maybe I will. I’m sensing some more gas on the horizon, or maybe it’s just those beans I ate for dinner.
November 2, 2011 at 6:55 pm
TDO
unvote spooky vote grey
November 2, 2011 at 6:59 pm
dkautz
Well, crap. I have to go very, very shortly, and I won’t be back tonight. I still think Grey is the best vote and I want to cast one for him, but if anyone (other than him, I guess) thinks leaving discussion open for a while is a good idea, speak up and I’ll throw a vote somewhere else or take a strike.
November 2, 2011 at 7:04 pm
meat
I’d like to keep my discussion of kirk’s log open, and maybe we can talk about your log.
November 2, 2011 at 7:22 pm
cheaptoy1
Can we have a Troi character for every version of werewolf?
November 2, 2011 at 7:07 pm
bhiggum
Vote- TDO
I want to put in a vote, and the more I read over the old posts the more I distrust TDO. Too much pot-stirring from him.
November 2, 2011 at 7:09 pm
Grey
well its officially over for the villagers after I get lynched. good job guys. way to let yourselves be talked into another village loss.
November 2, 2011 at 7:13 pm
TDO
is there distrust because im newer, that you guys are changelings, or what?
November 2, 2011 at 7:15 pm
TDO
nevermind one is grey his last ditch effort
November 2, 2011 at 7:15 pm
spookymilk
“that you guys are changelings, or what?”
This crap is in half your posts. Everybody who distrusts you is a changeling, aren’t they? GOD I wish I could get rid of you today. I would if enough people were behind it. I think you’re an obvious liar.
November 2, 2011 at 7:26 pm
cheaptoy1
Eh, that doesn’t bother me so much. When you’re a changeling about to be caught, you gotta resort to desperate attempts at creating more paranoia, yes?
November 2, 2011 at 7:28 pm
spookymilk
Well, yes.
I’m just on pins and needles today as it is. This headache on top of it is, um, a headache. Don’t get me wrong, it’s fun as hell to spar with someone in Werewolf. It’s just exhausting.
November 2, 2011 at 7:14 pm
dkautz
Okay, I do have to go, and nothing’s making me feel like wavering at this point.
Make it so.
Vote Grey
November 2, 2011 at 7:21 pm
cheaptoy1
Is that a majority?
November 2, 2011 at 7:23 pm
spookymilk
Actually, it is. I missed TDO’s vote.
November 2, 2011 at 7:45 pm
meat
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. and unnnnnnnbooooooooooooooooooo
November 2, 2011 at 7:22 pm
TDO
i believe it is.
November 2, 2011 at 7:23 pm
cheaptoy1
***Grey is hauled off to jail***
Just in case beau isn’t here right now.
November 2, 2011 at 7:23 pm
spookymilk
***Grey has been hauled off to…um…space jail! In space!***
November 2, 2011 at 7:31 pm
greekhouse
***DEAD***
Is Baby Fark McGee-zax there?
Wait, that was South Park, not Star Wars.
***DEAD***
November 2, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Beau
Okay, guys, I’m here! Glad you could do this without a moderator today. Talk amongst yourselves for the next 2.5 hours. I’ll give grey his last meal and pretend to dial the governor.
November 2, 2011 at 7:30 pm
spookymilk
Glad you could do this without a moderator today.
Eh, it was nothing. Pretty by-the-numbers day around here.
November 2, 2011 at 7:37 pm
cheaptoy1
Except I think those numbers connected into the shape of a dong and Troi’s titties.
November 2, 2011 at 7:46 pm
meat
How many of my titties can you see? I was hiding at least 3 of them. Oh, I can’t say that I don’t enjoy the attention, but sometimes it chafes.
November 2, 2011 at 7:36 pm
spookymilk
I’m going to peek at DK tonight. In the unlikely event that I’m not killed outright by the wolves (I’m not sure this is unlikely, given the day’s events, but I’m very interested to find out), if I die by hand of Jem Ha’Dar, DK is a wolf.
November 2, 2011 at 7:44 pm
cheaptoy1
Well, if you don’t make it through the night, then TDO and possibly dk have some explaining to do tomorrow.
November 2, 2011 at 7:52 pm
TDO
if for whatever reasons i am not targeted by teh changelings (i see no reason why i wouldnt be) bigham is who i will be peeking at.
November 2, 2011 at 7:59 pm
cheaptoy1
I’m glad we’ve ended the last two days by talking about pig meat.
November 2, 2011 at 8:02 pm
TDO
got to start proof reading before i post. i will peek bhiggum should i live.
November 2, 2011 at 8:11 pm
cheaptoy1
Nonsense, call me a fan of bigham.
November 2, 2011 at 9:22 pm
bhiggum
I prefer to be referred to as Evil Doctor Porkchop, if you please.
November 2, 2011 at 8:30 pm
rob
I’ll peek at meat tonight, and if I die by the gems, you will be really confused tomorrow.
November 2, 2011 at 8:38 pm
greekhouse
***DEAD***
Since we’re done prematurely here, anybody want to play a turbo?
***DEAD***
November 2, 2011 at 8:40 pm
spookymilk
OOH! Pick me, pick me! I think. Let me see what the supper deal is tonight.
November 2, 2011 at 8:43 pm
cheaptoy1
I probably could participate if we start decently soon enough.
November 2, 2011 at 8:45 pm
kg2005
***DEAD***
I’m in!
***DEAD***
November 2, 2011 at 8:45 pm
greekhouse
OK, I’ll make a thread and see who else we can get.
November 2, 2011 at 8:48 pm
greekhouse
https://spookymilk.wordpress.com/2011/11/02/werewolf-turbinator-judgement-day/
November 2, 2011 at 9:24 pm
greekhouse
We have 8. Could really use one more if someone want to play!
November 2, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Beau
Final Voting
bhiggum voting for TDO
cheaptoy (1) voting Grey
Daneeka’s Ghost voting Grey
DK voting for Grey
Dread Pirate
Grey (6) voting cheaptoy
meat voting spooky
rob voting Grey
spookymilk (1) voting Grey
TDO (1) voting Grey
Everyone can still talk. I’ll have results up in 25 minutes.
November 2, 2011 at 9:59 pm
The Dread Pirate
Bring it, changelings. We have struggled since the attacks trying to rely on one another. Our strength and our only hope as a people, is to remain undivided. We haven’t always done all we could to insure that. The gods shall lift those who lift each other. Just remember, sometimes a feeling is all we humans have to go on.
It’s been an honor serving as your Captain. Troi, I’ve already got a female to worry about. Her name is the Enterprise. Anyway, if this is my final night about the Enterprise, go forth and find those Changlings. How you deal with my death is at least as important as how you deal with life. Captain Kirk, signing off for the night.
November 2, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Beau
“Kira,” Odo begins. “I know we have no solid proof yet, but I have to think that Changelings are behind all these deaths. Everything has been so deliberately planned; I can’t imagine the Cardassians would be this covertly successful.”
Kira nods. “I’m sure you’re right Odo. But if the blood tests don’t work, how are we going to find them? At this rate, there won’t be any of us left to find them.”
“That’s what I worry,” Odo says. “I wish I could protect everyone, but it seems I’m just as helpless as the rest of you.”
Odo pauses for a second, looks directly at Kira, and continues.
“That’s why…in case you or I don’t survive this, I needed to say something. You may find this hard to believe. But I love you. I have for a long time.”
Kira reflexively pulls back, mouth open. The silence hangs in the air for a few seconds.
“Oh, Odo,” she says. Before she can react further, the door opens.
“Get down, major!” says the surprise visitor.
A phaser blast lights up the room, vaporizing Odo. Kira looks up in shock. “Odo?”
“Indeed.”
“How can I know that?”
“Easy,” Odo smirks. “That one doesn’t know you killed Vaatrik.”
beau(Commander William T. Riker, died happy)adobery(Lieutenant Commander Worf, launched from promenade)nibbish(Commander Katherine Pulaski, MD, pulverized)kg2005(Elim Garak, poisoned)greekhouse(Ensign, electrocuted)Grey(Changeling, caught in the act)bhiggum
cheaptoy
Daneeka’s Ghost
DK
Dread Pirate
meat
rob
spookymilk
TDO
November 2, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Beau
Once again, I will be gone all day tomorrow until 6pm abouts. At best, I may be able to be on here during the lunch hour, but I’m not sure.
As of right now, we will just have one day tomorrow. However, if we reach a quick majority, and the remaining 7 people all wanted to advance to the next day (send me an e-mail), I would consider advancing the day.
On Friday I plan to work from home, so it would be easy to do more than one day if necessary and desired.