As the sun rises on the parish of St Leche, and the milkmaids bounce along the paths from the dairy, and the little ones play in the muck about the gallows, a crowd begins to gather for the morning spectacle.
As they approach they all feel the same sense of dread from the prior morning, and their hearts sink deeper into their bowels as they recognize the familiar face of Father Dougal McGuire. Fortunately his beatific face was unmarred. Unfortunately it was no longer attached to his head.
As the women begin their keening, and the men begin their debate on who could possibly be responsible, it is easy to forget the children.
Little Kenny, his crutch leaning against the gallows, lit his morning cigarette and surveyed the scene. Had anyone been paying attention, they might have noticed the twinkle in his improbably gigantic eyes.
As they approach they all feel the same sense of dread from the prior morning, and their hearts sink deeper into their bowels as they recognize the familiar face of Father Dougal McGuire. Fortunately his beatific face was unmarred. Unfortunately it was no longer attached to his head.
As the women begin their keening, and the men begin their debate on who could possibly be responsible, it is easy to forget the children.
Little Kenny, his crutch leaning against the gallows, lit his morning cigarette and surveyed the scene. Had anyone been paying attention, they might have noticed the twinkle in his improbably gigantic eyes.
Spooky
Will Young
KG
cheaptoy
bhiggum
beau
Mbnovak
TheAlmightyGuru
5 needed for a majority
Day ends at 10pm CST
Day ends at 10pm CST
***** It is day *****
Casa de Leche 
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December 21, 2011 at 10:05 am
cheaptoy1
Ok, so DG was telling the truth. Sorry, man.
I think this places spooky much, much higher on my list, possibly number one. Either him or novak.
The switch to me at the last minute was odd, at any rate. I’m not really sure where it came from as I thought I had been at least trying to be helpful. Busy at work and tiredness may have made my posts a bit lacking, though.
Anyway, he also said he was really worried about novak at the same time as voting for me, then voted for adobery in the sudden death instead. Interesting.
Anywho, one last question that I’m going to look back on: Who started the suspicion against adobery yesterday? I never really felt like he was wolfish other than because of the way he usually is. For the most part, I felt he acted plenty villagery.
December 21, 2011 at 10:05 am
cheaptoy1
Also, sorry, DG, for calling you McDougal all day when that is not the name.
December 21, 2011 at 10:11 am
spookymilk
This makes me number one? What game are you watching?
I never doubted adobery. Ever. DG convinced me there was something there, and DG, despite what he thought of me, was the only person I trusted.
If you’re a villager and I’m your number one, we should concede.
December 21, 2011 at 10:39 am
cheaptoy1
If you never doubted adobery, why did you cast the sudden death vote for him instead of novak, whom you “feared” earlier? That just doesn’t make any sense.
December 21, 2011 at 10:48 am
spookymilk
I just explained that. Right here. In the comment you replied to.
DG was the only person I was sure about. He was terribly off about me, but I thought he might have something with adobery that I didn’t see. If I faced off against DG and I was wrong, the village was going to lynch me today and we’d lose.
You asking this question – trying to heap something on me – really puts you on my radar again. I also got the sense that you were thinking about coming out as a Dougal last night, and if you had, I was going to vote for you immediately, knowing you were lying.
There are about four or five people I kind of want to vote for right now. I really don’t want you to distract me from a Beau/Matt vote like I want, but if you look like the best option, well, shit.
December 21, 2011 at 11:50 am
cheaptoy1
It still doesn’t make a lot of sense to me that you were so sure of novak up until the very last minute, then switched your vote to me, then let DG talk you into adobery in just a couple of minutes. Why not stick with your initial solid feeling about novak? It wouldn’t have put any suspicion on you even if he were a villager because you had been making points against him all night.
I’m not trying to distract from a beau/matt vote, because I’m on board with matt. I just don’t want your strange end of day voting behavior to go undiscussed. Then again, you guys lynch me and there won’t be another day to discuss it, anyway.
December 21, 2011 at 11:56 am
spookymilk
I don’t think there’s anything particularly strange about me not sticking to a vote when this game has been so goddamned confusing. Even now my thoughts are changing by the minute.
I think we have a wolf in TAG, but even if we do, I don’t think that killing him helps in the long run (unless the angel successfully protects someone). He’s said nothing and will lead us to no one.
December 21, 2011 at 11:57 am
mbnovak
Unless he leads us to Beau?
December 21, 2011 at 11:58 am
spookymilk
Well, yes, if my theory about the text is correct. Even I acknowledge that’s kind of a leap, but I’ve doubted Beau since the beginning too, so I suppose my confidence in that vote would grow.
December 21, 2011 at 10:06 am
Beau
Two nights, lost our two most powerful roles. Nice.
If we don’t catch a wolf tonight, we automatically lose unless Doyle saves someone, am I right?
December 21, 2011 at 10:08 am
cheaptoy1
I believe that is correct. Offing another parishoner (which would be dumb) would put us at 3 villagers come morning, pending a doyle save, to 3 unholies. D’oh.
Tight spot, parishoners, tight spot.
December 21, 2011 at 10:08 am
spookymilk
Oh, DG, why did you come out with that role?
I wanted Beau gone on day one, but I wasn’t around to ask for it. I wanted Matt gone last night and I was swayed by DG (I also didn’t realize how much traction I’d gotten on Matt; if I’d realized he was so close I wouldn’t have shifted to cheaptoy).
I think it’s Beau, Matt and maybe TAG, but it might be cheaptoy or Will…if it’s kg or bhiggum I think we’ve already lost. Well, we can’t get it wrong again.
I’m torn on the angel coming out. A role claim could narrow focus, but if we get it wrong today, the angel can save us from losing by picking the right person. That’s a huge risk, considering how unlikely it’s been in the past for the angel to do so.
December 21, 2011 at 10:31 am
bhiggum
Do we gain enough by the angel coming out to justify the angel dying for sure tonight? We get one confirmed villager if none of the wolves make a fake-angel play, and chance of the angel saving anyone. What is it, a 1-in-4 chance of the angel protecting the wolves’ target tonight? I think we need to talk about this strategy some more so we don’t lose another special role like DG’s without any benefit from it.
December 21, 2011 at 11:47 am
mbnovak
I think the angel stays secret. If we get a wolf today the angel has a 25% shot of protecting the wolves’ target, wolves have a 20% shot of hitting the angel. If we drop a villager during the day, the Angel has a 1 in 3 shot of protecting someone, the wolves have a 1 in 4 shot of hitting the angel. I’ll take those odds. Better than necessarily losing an angel. Plus, if we hit a villager during the day today, the only way we’re going to pull it off is some miracle angel work.
December 21, 2011 at 11:51 am
kg2005
That’s only if the angel knows who the wolves are. He still has a chance of accidentally trying to protect a wolf.
December 21, 2011 at 11:54 am
mbnovak
Oh yeah. Newb.
December 21, 2011 at 10:12 am
daneekasghost
***DEAD***
oops.
***DEAD***
December 21, 2011 at 10:21 am
nibbish
*** DEAD ***
Yer tellin’ me.
*** SEERFAIL ***
December 21, 2011 at 10:15 am
Beau
I’m off to work. Busy day ahead, I may not be able to check until 6 pm or so, though I may be able to make quick post or two over the lunch hour.
So far, everyone who has died voted for TDO. Those who haven’t yet: myself, TAG, and KG. None of those people have voted for me. I’m not sure if that means anything except to me, but there it is.
December 21, 2011 at 1:20 pm
TDO
***dead***
revenge for killing me (jk)
***dead***
December 21, 2011 at 10:27 am
adobery
*** DEAD ***
[sometime shortly after ten o’clock in the evening, a vengeful crowd charges towards the dwelling of town fool, Adobery]
“Stop!” shouts Adobery. “Let me speak before you proceed with this sinful injustice! You consider yourselves a righteous congregation? You are nothing more than a small minded, short-sighted herd of sheep! I denounce my faith, I curse this wretched church and it’s congregation! But do not weep for my soul, as it is pure. I do not fear your reckoning, as I have already tangled with the devil and I have been victorious. That’s right…I have disassembled my wife’s laptop down to its individual parts, just to get at that damned fan so that I might oil it and silence the devil’s tongue. So I no longer need this church, this earth, this body…for I am a GOD. I will…”
One of the mob interrupts Adobery, “actually, we were on our way to send Mr. Novak to the depths of hell, but after that…what do you think everyone?”
“Let’s hang him,” they shout.
“Cast the demons out!” screams another.
“Cut out his tongue!” suggests yet another.
“Yes, yes, cut out his tongue!” they all shout in unison.
“Fuck you all,” is all Adobery gets out before they force open his jaw and have at him with their butter knives.
*** DEAD ***
December 21, 2011 at 10:31 am
nibbish
*** DEAD ***
I just had flashbacks to a choose-your-own-adventure book.
***SLIGHTLY NAUGHTIER LANGUAGE, BUT STILL…***
December 21, 2011 at 10:30 am
The Dread Pirate
Feck! Beer! Panic!
December 21, 2011 at 10:40 am
kg2005
Well, we’re boned.
December 21, 2011 at 10:45 am
bhiggum
I’m going to be gone most of the morning, but should be back this afternoon and definitely here for the evening session.
My list at the moment-
Beau- I think villager, for the reasons I talked about in my post during the tiebreaker/ sudden death deal last night
spooky- this is the least aggressive game I’ve seen him play. Not sure what to make of it.
cheaptoy- this is the smoothest game I’ve seen him play. I think maybe villager, but I might be swayed if there’s anything in the voting history that smells fishy.
kg- the player I have the least idea about. More research needed here, too.
Dread pirate- I think villager, but it’s so hard to tell with the limited communications. He’s been around a lot, he’s been somewhat helpful with his “lucid” posts, but without any back-and-forth, it’s hard to push him for information.
TAG- I still wish we’d gone with this vote yesterday. I know it was early when the vote got up there, but maybe even if we’d left it one away from majority for a while longer, either a wolf would have jumped on it (if TAG is a villager), or he would have stayed the one vote away for a longer time, which in the past has indicated that person is a wolf themselves.
Novak- I think villager, since I find it more likely that a newer player would be really good at analysis (adobery) than he would be running a deep strategy game. Obviously, other people feel differently about this.
So, my list looks like this for three wolves-
TAG, spooky, KG, dread pirate, cheaptoy
Anyone else have a list to share?
December 21, 2011 at 10:51 am
spookymilk
Matt, Beau, cheaptoy right now.
Our lists are all so off from one another, though, that I can’t see how we win this thing.
December 21, 2011 at 10:53 am
spookymilk
I can also get aggressive if you like, and really, the only reason I haven’t is because I’ve been on the defensive a lot.
So here you go: I think Matt is a lead-pipe cinch to be a wolf. If we don’t vote him out tonight, and if he isn’t the first wolf to go, I think he’ll think of a new strategy and continue to hold the village in the palm of his hand because they keep underestimating him.
December 21, 2011 at 10:46 am
kg2005
I’m not at all afraid of Novak or Will, I think they’re clean. I also think cheaptoy is a parish, but I’m not as certain. That leaves 3 unholy for 4 people. You know who you are.
December 21, 2011 at 11:00 am
thealmightyguru
Sorry I checked out early yesterday, whatever I ate came back with a vengeance! I’m off to read yesterday’s posts to catch up on what happened…
December 21, 2011 at 11:01 am
mbnovak
I… wow. I am impressed by the wolves. They managed to have 2 villagers in a tiebreaker last night. Now I’m wishing I had fallen on my sword and not switched my vote to Adobery. Beau’s brother… I’m sorry.
Here’s why I did switch my vote: Votes were on me and didn’t appear to be switching. The only other viable target appeared to be Adobery. Though I didn’t have any great grounds for suspecting him, knowing my own villager role, the odds were clearly better for that he was a wolf (0% for me, 1/3 for him). DG was on him, and had been for a while, and wasn’t switching (I didn’t even think he was around until the sudden death). Will seemed set on him too. So I made the leap. Obviously KG did too.
Today, I’m torn between two thoughts on Spooky. 1. He really was just that afraid of me and let emotions get the better of him or 2. He thought he might be able to get traction on me since I’ve been very active and accusatory. My mind isn’t made up yet, and I’d like to hear more from him.
I’m also left a little baffled why TAG is still around. Almost everyone, at some point, proclaimed him likely to be a wolf. And what about that text from him to Beau? How come Beau isn’t considered wolfy at this point? Two last-minute difference-making votes? (Last nights would have offed me if Spooky hadn’t changed).
Given all that’s transpired, I would suggest that either (and possibly both), Spooky or Beau is a wolf. Those two have played some absolutely critical, last-minute roles, both in preventing eliminations of some people (TAG) and in offing others (TDO, Adobery).
December 21, 2011 at 11:05 am
spookymilk
My role in adobery’s death wasn’t “critical.” In fact, it didn’t even count.
I tried to kill you. People followed, and DG’s drum on adobery threw me off.
The flaw in your logic is that you’re trying to say I’m a wolf because I prevented your death to cause his. Well, if I was a wolf, I’d know I had a villager either way, wouldn’t I? You forgot to mention that, because you know you’re a wolf and you know I switched from wolf to villager.
December 21, 2011 at 11:10 am
mbnovak
No, I didn’t forget to mention that… I applauded it – two villagers, no wrong choice for a wolf. In fact, the fact that you switched from me to Cheaptoy at the end was interesting… it looked like it was going to go me, and you had been the leader of that crusade. But you switched your vote off of me, almost as if to remove yourself from consideration when I was outed as a villager upon death. Adobery being eliminated in sudden death left me as the threat you could identify, which is a nice, wolfy strategy.
December 21, 2011 at 11:12 am
spookymilk
It would be terrible wolf strategy to make that move. It’s conspicuous as hell. I actually thought there might be time to get votes on cheaptoy. I was drunk, too, which fucked with me. I regret every second that I didn’t just let you die.
December 21, 2011 at 11:06 am
spookymilk
Vote MBNovak
I’m sure about him. I’m not sure about anyone else.
December 21, 2011 at 11:10 am
mbnovak
Question for others who have played before… is Spooky usually so fear-driven?
December 21, 2011 at 11:11 am
spookymilk
Just ask me, man. Yes.
December 21, 2011 at 11:13 am
spookymilk
I also find it interesting that you said “fear-driven,” again essentially acknowledging that you know I’m a villager. There’s no fear driving wolves.
December 21, 2011 at 11:23 am
mbnovak
Actually, I presented 2 options before… either you’re a villager who is afraid of me or you’re just acting afraid of me because you think you can get traction on me. If it’s #2, then you could be either a wolf or a villager. I’m trying to figure out if the fear is real, or if you’re just acting.
I think that’s all I’ve got.
Ooh… and just one more thing Mr. Spooky. Isn’t it true that you’re an actor?
::Snaps head towards jury. Raises eyebrows suggestively. Bum bum bum! Commercial break!::
December 21, 2011 at 11:34 am
spookymilk
If I was a wolf, my thought process for the day would be (in a way, I hate to point this out for the future, but I really don’t want to get shut out):
1) Show up, lament deaths, make sure to question DG’s move again because it truly was bizarre (I did all of this)
2) Rue the fact that my chosen target didn’t go down and that I was swayed (I did all of this)
3) Assess the thoughts of the group, and find the person, besides myself, who looked like the easiest target based on player doubts. That’s what I didn’t do. You’re way off of people’s radar all of a sudden, so I had to really believe this in order to point a finger at you. If I wanted an easier ride today, they were available, yes?
December 21, 2011 at 11:40 am
mbnovak
Meh. Lots of possible strategies. I’m not inclined to put much stock into statements where people say “if I was X I would have done Y”.
December 21, 2011 at 11:41 am
spookymilk
It’s no different from any other comment. You may as well way “I don’t put much stock into absolutely anything that anyone says, ever.”
December 21, 2011 at 11:13 am
nibbish
*** TAKING A STROLL THROUGH HEAVEN’S GOLDEN FIELDS ***
What you weren’t watching last game?
*** AVENGE ME, YOU BITCHES ***
December 21, 2011 at 11:18 am
mbnovak
No. I haven’t watched a single game of werewolf. Hence all the questions.
I have a bunch more questions, but I’m going to save them for the end. Because apparently a newb asking questions is suspicious.
December 21, 2011 at 11:21 am
spookymilk
Everything is suspicious to some. Learn to accept that. I’m suspicious every time I’m alive, because I’m alive.
I think I’m the clearest villager in this game, but half the people here are doubting me, and I don’t know if there’s a better reason than “He’s spooky.” If there is, then let it be known, and let us lose. If you’re a wolf, the wolves have played a very good game. If you’re not, the wolves have played even better. They probably deserve it – I just don’t want them to have it.
December 21, 2011 at 11:24 am
mbnovak
Then I guess we’re going to say they’ve played even better.
December 21, 2011 at 11:11 am
AMR
***Home Viewer***
December 21, 2011 at 11:40 am
spookymilk
Unvote MBNovak
I am, for now, satisfied.
Matt, if you turn out to be a wolf and I lose to you, I will be annoying with how much I stroke your ego and talk about how awesomely you played.
December 21, 2011 at 11:49 am
kg2005
Vote TAG
This game is so much harder without the seer. I don’t see very much wolfiness going on, so I have to think TAG is getting by without posting very much as a wolf.
December 21, 2011 at 11:53 am
spookymilk
Okay, here’s my thought on Beau/TAG that I should have laid out yesterday before Matt got all up in my head:
Beau acknowledged that TAG texted him to apologize for not being present with his whole food poisoning thing. I know Beau is the one who got TAG into this game, but TAG could have mentioned this on the site. Is it possible his text was an apology because they’re wolves together and he felt a particular need to apologize to a fellow wolf?
That thought crept through my head all last night after the Werewolf night was over, and I still think it’s possible.
December 21, 2011 at 11:59 am
thealmightyguru
I can assure you that the reason I texted Beau was because there was no way I was getting up to get on my computer, and he was the only other way I could get in touch with the group.
December 21, 2011 at 12:02 pm
spookymilk
Well, you’re here now. Lay out your thoughts, because if you’re a villager, to date you have been extremely unhelpful, and spending massive amounts of time away from the game for any reason makes people suspect you.
December 21, 2011 at 12:02 pm
kg2005
While that’s certainly possible and it supports my theory (and I’m suspicous of Beau), I think I’ll go with Occam’s Razor on this one and just assume that it’s because they know each other for now.
December 21, 2011 at 12:03 pm
spookymilk
Good idea. I don’t want to over-Beau this thing.
December 21, 2011 at 12:01 pm
thealmightyguru
Something to note: Both KG and DG voted for the same person on both nights, and in both cases, they voted for villagers.
December 21, 2011 at 12:02 pm
spookymilk
Okay, but DG is a good guy. Are you suggesting kg jumped on his back to look clean?
December 21, 2011 at 12:03 pm
cheaptoy1
Except, DG was a villager and just plain old wrong. I don’t think that says a whole lot about kg.
December 21, 2011 at 12:05 pm
spookymilk
Well…it can. Aligning/agreeing with a good guy can be a great strategy for a wolf. I did it with Grey in the first game and with greekhouse in the sixth. To date I’ve never doubted kg in this one, and maybe I should worry about that fact.
December 21, 2011 at 12:16 pm
kg2005
On day one I voted for TDO first, which means DG aligned with me.
December 21, 2011 at 12:18 pm
spookymilk
I had a feeling that happened at least once.
Now tag is saying it “proves” he’s a villager if you vote for him. I know he’s screwin’ around to some extent, but do you think he’s trying to frame you?
I do.
December 21, 2011 at 12:15 pm
thealmightyguru
I just saying that I hope KG votes for me today, because that helps prove I’m a villager!
December 21, 2011 at 12:11 pm
mbnovak
Hey, I just realized… did no one get an affliction today?
December 21, 2011 at 12:13 pm
spookymilk
After seeing what DG went through yesterday, I think a lack of an affliction is the most divine thing that could have happened.
I actually think it really hurt DG’s game. He had to spend a lot of time figuring out how to frame his thoughts, which denied him the opportunity to actually think about more things.
December 21, 2011 at 12:14 pm
mbnovak
Oh yeah, I thought it was brutal. I was just surprised there wasn’t one.
December 21, 2011 at 12:19 pm
The Dread Pirate
vote TAG! Burrito!
December 21, 2011 at 12:20 pm
spookymilk
Vote TAG. I’ll have a burrito, as well.
December 21, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Grey
Nibbish(Father Ted, Killed night 1)TDO(Holy, lynched day 1)Adobery(Holy, lynched day 2DG(Father Dougal, killed night 2)Spooky voting for TAG
Will Young voting for TAG
KG voting for TAG
cheaptoy
bhiggum
beau
Mbnovak
TheAlmightyGuru (3)
day ends @ 10pm CST
5 needed for a majority
December 21, 2011 at 1:01 pm
mbnovak
Well. That really slowed stuff down.
TAG has done nothing to disabuse me of the notion that he’s a wolf. But Will has been awfully wrong this game…
December 21, 2011 at 1:02 pm
mbnovak
Either way, I’m going to lunch.
December 21, 2011 at 1:02 pm
mbnovak
And then to get my hair cut.
December 21, 2011 at 1:02 pm
mbnovak
And then to a meeting.
December 21, 2011 at 1:03 pm
mbnovak
And then to see a priest, about confessing my sins. (Really. That’s not metaphorical. I’m a Catholic).
December 21, 2011 at 1:03 pm
mbnovak
So my attendance this afternoon will be spotty, at best.
December 21, 2011 at 1:03 pm
mbnovak
Also, I have to go to the bathroom.
December 21, 2011 at 1:08 pm
kg2005
Will is Father Jack. He can take care of confession for you.
December 21, 2011 at 1:20 pm
spookymilk
Three votes have sat on TAG for some time now. If there were wolves out there and TAG was a villager, they would have jumped on it and won the game, barring a divine angel protection pick.
I think we can at least go ahead with TAG safely. The question is whether we want to talk about who the angel should protect, or whether we should leave it up in the air and let the wolves guess without the benefit of our discussion.
December 21, 2011 at 1:26 pm
cheaptoy1
That’s a good point about TAG. The only pause for concern I have about it is whether everyone has been on the site since the voting for him started. Its possible not every wolf has been here to see that the game could be ended now.
December 21, 2011 at 1:42 pm
kg2005
It’s also possible that they see what’s going on and don’t want to put their two cents in and risk looking guilty.
December 21, 2011 at 1:45 pm
spookymilk
Possible, but less likely, since winning is such a near-sure thing for them if TAG is a villager. The angel’s odds are 1/6 to pick the right person, and given how much confusion there’s been in this game, the wolves would probably be rightfully optimistic about those odds.
Sure, they don’t want to come here and vote without a comment except “haha we got you,” but they’d still possibly have voted quickly.
December 21, 2011 at 1:48 pm
kg2005
I was replying to cheaptoy’s comment. I think it’s very likely that if TAG was a villager the wolves would have finished him off by now. Cheaptoy said that they might just not be around. I think they’re around but don’t want to say anything about not voting for him.
December 21, 2011 at 1:48 pm
cheaptoy1
Oh yeah, I totally agree there. I just wanted to urge some caution before jumping in.
December 21, 2011 at 2:04 pm
thealmightyguru
As it is, the following (living) people have been consistently voting for me:
Spooky, Will Young, Mbnovak, Beau, and Bhiggum.
KG and cheaptoy appear to be the only ones who haven’t considered me a threat, even though they could have majority killed me yesterday. Although that’s awfully nice of them, I kind of distrust them more because of this because the guy who votes the killing majority looks very wolf-like, as they should!
December 21, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Beau
Here are some brief thoughts between parts of my crazy day.
1)No way in hell I’m voting for spooky. I see nothing that ties anything back to him. He tends to get really anxious about voting at the end of the day when’s he’s a villager, often switching back and forth multiple times. When he’s a wolf he does some of that, but usually not this much. Also, I can’t imagine him pulling off the lame, last second cheaptoy vote as a wolf knowing how super wolfy that looks. If he is a wolf, congratulations for once again changing up your game.
2)I’m not sold on novak, either. While I think it’s more plausible than spooky, I just can’t imagine a first time wolf talking this damn much and not getting himself in obvious trouble. I voted for him last night because I was more convinced on him than I was adobery, which was to say slightly more than nothing.
3)Cheaptoy normally looks super wolfy, because he talks a lot and gets himself in trouble. Yet the only other time he was a wolf (with me) his comments seemed more calculated. I haven’t looked back through the voting history of this game to scope it out more, but I’m suspicious.
In fact, I’m suspicious of nearly everyone who has been hyper-defending me. I’ve had more suspicion on me this game than everyone combined. The wolves would of course keep me alive because there is that suspicion. What’s the best thing for the wolves to do? Like Spooky earlier, to align with me. That way if I had gotten voted off either of the past two days, they could point and say, “Hey, told you guys.”
So far, the people that have been defending me almost without question (and this is by memory) are Will Young, Cheaptoy, and KG. Higgum has wavered back and forth on me, even voting for me twice, and now he’s convinced I’m a villager. That makes me somewhat suspicious. However, I’m not sure if he was a wolf it would have made sense for him to make his late vote switch to adobery and vote post during sudden death. I’m sureo f this: If Novak is a wolf, then Bhiggum probably is too. However, is Novak is a villager, Higgum has got to be in the clear. Under the assumption that Novak is a villager, I’ll lay off Higgum.
TAG also hasn’t voted for me, but he hasn’t said much of anything.
The wolves have obviously been playing an excellent game. I think it’s more likely they’ve been avoiding suspicion by talking less and not saying anything obviously wolfy.
I’d like to look at vote histories tonight before I railroad anyone (or at least put a group of three together), and until then this is more conjecture than evidence. However, I think we should explore some of these guys who haven’t been explored much yet before knocking off TAG. When I have time tonight I’ll look more closely at kg, Will, and cheaptoy.
December 21, 2011 at 1:50 pm
spookymilk
Hmm.
This post seems very clean. Like I mentioned yesterday, that could be because you’re doing the Helpful Wolf, but I no longer get that vibe.
And, if you’re clean, that pokes some holes in my certainty about TAG, although he disappeared again today after some votes came his way – often a sort of wolf-concession.
I’m glad you’re seeing what I keep seeing in cheaptoy. I could get behind that vote, and if we’re right, we’ve seen that he leads a bit of a trail as a wolf.
December 21, 2011 at 2:19 pm
cheaptoy1
Except I haven’t been defending you much at all. I’ve stated many times that I catch a wolfy vibe from you, then I don’t, then I do again. So in other words, you should look over my posts again. I haven’t really voted for you yet, but that’s mostly because I haven’t seen any slam dunk reasoning for it.
December 21, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Beau
noted
December 21, 2011 at 2:01 pm
kg2005
In fact, I’m suspicious of nearly everyone who has been hyper-defending me. I’ve had more suspicion on me this game than everyone combined. The wolves would of course keep me alive because there is that suspicion.
I’m not accusing you of being a wolf here, but I think this logic is all wrong. A wolf wouldn’t want to kill you at night because you’re suspicious. However, why wouldn’t they want you to be voted off during the day? If they can drum up enough suspicion to get you voted off instead one of them, isn’t that enough reason to push you over the edge?
December 21, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Beau
It would be, if there weren’t already other tasty villagers on the chopping block. For example, I’d rather knock off TDO than me if I had the choice, because TDO seemed less like someone people would be ambivalent about.
December 21, 2011 at 2:39 pm
thealmightyguru
Beau and Spooky seems to have a nice cartel going on between the two of them, which makes me suspicious, but I’m still not convinced that it’s not just due to solidarity among villagers.
I still cast my doubts on KG and cheaptoy, but for the time being…
Vote: Beau
December 21, 2011 at 2:41 pm
spookymilk
If it’s a cartel, it’s not a very solid one. I’ve been on record as doubting Beau for quite a while now, until just now.
I’m happier than ever with my vote for you, even though you seem pretty alright and I hope you keep playing no matter the outcome.
December 21, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Beau
All of my friends are pretty alright
December 21, 2011 at 2:51 pm
thealmightyguru
It’s true! We are!
December 21, 2011 at 2:45 pm
mbnovak
A quick note here, before running off again. Here’s what I wrote earlier today:
Given all that’s transpired, I would suggest that either (and possibly both), Spooky or Beau is a wolf. Those two have played some absolutely critical, last-minute roles, both in preventing eliminations of some people (TAG) and in offing others (TDO, Adobery).
This didn’t get much play, except a denial by Spooky (which I think we worked through up there). Obviously Beau is going to say Spooky is more likely than him, and vice-verse.
But what do others think?
December 21, 2011 at 2:47 pm
mbnovak
Personally, I’m leaning Beau is more likely than Spooky, at this point.
December 21, 2011 at 3:06 pm
thealmightyguru
They’ve both voted for each other from time to time, but when it comes to the end of the day, they always switch off to someone else. They’ve also got this thing for each other right now,
Beau: No way in hell I’m voting for spooky.
Spooky: This post seems very clean… I no longer get that vibe.
Despite Spooky gunning for me right now, I’d have to say that he’s a bit more on the level than Beau. I think what’s happening is that Spooky is just falling for Beau’s wolf-like charm.
December 21, 2011 at 3:10 pm
spookymilk
Longtime players can confirm that when I’m a wolf, I actively avoid pairing up with other wolves. It’s just a stupid risk.
I think Beau would avoid this risk, too, but yes, I’m definitely still worried that he’s using me. I haven’t been easy to use in the past, so I hope I’m not breaking that trend, but it might be happening. It’s a bit harder to see when one is in the situation, so if anyone else (preferably dudes I don’t suspect) think he’s buttering me up, let me know.
December 21, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Beau
In game three when I was a wolf, I tried to butter up Greek a bit, because he was the one gunning for me. But I was a lot more subtle than “No way in hell.” Of course, that being said, my comments on Matt would fit that subtle butter up mode. Uh, forget I said anything.
But no, really. I’d like to think if I was a wolf I could talk as much as I have and not get caught in a contradiction. I sincerely think this game has been so successful for the wolves because they’re not being caught in contradictions, which is easier to do if you talk less.
December 21, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Grey
this is what I have. so little is happening I may have missed a vote while skimming the posts
Nibbish(Father Ted, Killed night 1)TDO(Holy, lynched day 1)Adobery(Holy, lynched day 2DG(Father Dougal, killed night 2)Spooky voting for TAG
Will Young voting for TAG
KG voting for TAG
cheaptoy
bhiggum
beau (1)
Mbnovak
TheAlmightyGuru (3) voting for beau
5 needed for a majority
Day ends at in 10pm CST
December 21, 2011 at 2:51 pm
spookymilk
I certainly wouldn’t say that “so little is happening,” though the lack of votes may make it look that way.
December 21, 2011 at 3:53 pm
kg2005
Okay, people that haven’t voted for or talked about TAG: why not?
December 21, 2011 at 4:10 pm
mbnovak
I haven’t voted for TAG because I have grave reservations about Spooky. If he’s a wolf, he’s done a good job using me thus far. Much like he professes to be worried that Beau is using him. I feel like it’s time for me to push back against that, since I’ve been letting him skate in my wake with accusations the past couple days.
I remain convinced that at least one of Spooky or Beau is a wolf. I also am less worried about TAG’s activity than either of them. I’d rather try to continue to discern betwixt the two than rush to TAG today.
December 21, 2011 at 4:17 pm
spookymilk
Oh, good, the “you’re a wolf because you think I’m a wolf” defense. This should prove useful to us.
Nobody’s provided anything good against me. It all comes back to “spooky could do it”…none of it actually make any logical sense.
December 21, 2011 at 4:20 pm
mbnovak
Oh no, it has nothing to do with thinking I might be a wolf; it has everything to do with me doing the heavy lifting in accusations before that, and feeling like you were kind of being an echo in that.
December 21, 2011 at 4:24 pm
spookymilk
Ah. Well, if we’re going to lose, I’m as good a target as any and now’s as good a time as any. I cannot envision winning this game right now. (But, still, let’s not do this)
I kind of wish I could commit suicide so you guys could see my role and stop worrying about me and focus. I feel like we might be close otherwise. Maybe. Unless we were previously and we fell off the mark.
December 21, 2011 at 4:06 pm
The Dread Pirate
Semi-lucid thoughts here:
1. First, this really sucks. I’m sure it didn’t need to be repeated, but it’s hard to not be able to shout things besides Ass! Beer! and Feck! and other gibberish that doesn’t quite express my frustration.
2. I think we’ve definitely got a wolf in TAG. As mentioned above, no wolves came by once he got to three votes to try to push for the quick kill and come close to a quick tie. Plus, he finally appears today and immediately casts aspersion on … kg?! KG was pretty much on the bottom of my list of candidates, and if he was simply mirroring DG (which has since been debunked), then we was doing a pretty phenomenal job of staying off my radar. Now, I think he’s even further off my radar.
3. Um, sorry about the adobery vote yesterday guys. Like DG, I’m unable to really talk much, but if you go back and look at day 1 and 2 he really only had a couple of strong hours in the middle of day 1. When I raised questions about him yesterday, he provided semi-plausible answers (i.e., didn’t think either Beau/TDO was a wolf so he wanted to try to force a tie), but unfortunately no one ever pushed him further. I have to believe that if either DG or I could have spoken more, we might have found a much better candidate, but there sure seemed to be some smoke coming from his direction. Still, I didn’t expect a bunch of other people to subsequently switch their votes at the last minute, so I can’t be the only one who was thinking things were off.
4. spooky, every game I think cheaptoy is a villager and then you slowly but surely poison my mind. You’ve had two bizarre off-the-board ideas today (cheaptoy was going to come out as Dougal yesterday and TAG and Beau were colluding by text-messages as fellow-wolves) that make no sense. It is hard enough trying to sort through everything in these discussions for you to go and start creating evidence and theories that aren’t even there.
5. Not much to go off of on bhiggum, but he was the person that pushed TAG one away from a lynching yesterday. Seems like we almost had ourselves a wolf, but Beau jumped off (can’t blame him, I remember when rob offed himself as a quick wolf-kill awhile back), so who knows what would have happened.
6. I still don’t see Novak as wolfy. The only reason he’s even on my radar is because spooky keeps vouching for him and how he’s the only person who could play the way he is and survive as a wolf.
7. Beau, this is my fifth lucid post – and I’ve basically posted a few-sentences of my thoughts on each player – so it’s not like I’m constantly coming to your defense any more than anyone else. I still think your discussion about my role on day one was really helpful for us because new roles always need to be considered for possible loopholes like the “everyone out themselves” Simpsons loophole. If you’re playing the helpful wolf role, you nailed it the first couple of games. Now you seem to be focused on KG, cheaptoy, and me. I’m a vawillager, and KG and cheaptoy seem to be about the most sure-fire other villagers there are at this point. Much like TAG’s sudden vote for KG, I’m no sure what to make of your decision to lump the three of us together as the most suspicious.
8. spooky, are you really this confused or is this part of your acting skills? Every couple of hours, you seem dead certain that a new person is a wolf, and then you talk yourself out of it an hour later. You have been about as decisive as meat’s Troi and that worries me because, as Beau mentioned, lynching you ties nothing back to you. Thus, you’ve created a style that will continue to keep you around.
9. Hopefully, we’ll get some leads to figure this out.
December 21, 2011 at 4:15 pm
spookymilk
cheaptoy at 9:08 last night:
Hmmm, I suppose it is getting late and it would be kind of dumb for the real McDougal to not come out today.
Hmmmm.
There’s something to be found there. It’s probably a dead end, but I didn’t pick it out of thin air. He sure looks to me like he was giving himself the out to “come out” as Dougal last night. I’m sick of being wrong about cheaptoy, though.
The texting thing? I don’t think there’s anything weird about wondering about that, either, though I said myself that I thought it might have just been convenience. Beau and kg agreed, and I dropped it.
And, yes, I am really this confused this time. The wolves have me running in circles, and that pisses me off.
December 21, 2011 at 4:20 pm
cheaptoy1
I think that post of mine was just really badly worded. I was basically saying that, because we were less than an hour away from the deadline and no one had claimed to be the real Dougal that I was starting to feel more confident that DG was telling the truth, but that if he wasn’t, the real Dougal was being an idiot.
December 21, 2011 at 4:21 pm
spookymilk
I’m inclined to believe this, in part because you put your foot in your mouth at least once per game.
December 21, 2011 at 4:36 pm
thealmightyguru
Hey now, I didn’t go after KG. I said that he and DG had both voted (incorrectly) for the same person twice in a row; merely pointing out that he has a poor track record. It was It was Spooky who implied that KG was mirroring DG, and KG who proved Spooky wrong!
December 21, 2011 at 4:37 pm
spookymilk
I didn’t imply it, I implied that you were implying it.
December 21, 2011 at 4:38 pm
TheAlmightyGuru
Well, now you’re just implying that I was implying what you were implying about my implying!
December 21, 2011 at 4:41 pm
mbnovak
I’m not sure what to infer from all of this.
December 21, 2011 at 4:49 pm
mbnovak
Alright. I need to head out for a while again. Time to go confess my sins. Hopefully I don’t have to confess to accidentally contributing to the death of another villager.
Vote TAG
December 21, 2011 at 4:59 pm
kg2005
The fact that no wolves have claimed victory yet is a good sign.
December 21, 2011 at 5:00 pm
spookymilk
Yeah. I’m not sure TAG leads us anywhere, but at least we can be somewhat sure of this. We have plenty of time to parse his posts, too.
December 21, 2011 at 5:01 pm
spookymilk
As well as other players’ comments about him.
December 21, 2011 at 5:03 pm
cheaptoy1
I’d like to just end the voting and get the majority, because I feel pretty good about TAG now for this reason. But I’m going to wait to try to get some response out of him first, unless other villagers object.
December 21, 2011 at 5:05 pm
spookymilk
I’d never object to a few more words, but he hasn’t come up with much when asked thus far.
December 21, 2011 at 5:08 pm
cheaptoy1
That’s why I was hoping to let him continue to have posting abilities at least in to this evening to see if he talks more later on. I’ll give it until I finish working out after getting home from work.
December 21, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Beau
They can’t, even if they get a villager, because we still have an angel pick tonight
December 21, 2011 at 5:45 pm
mbnovak
This thought strikes me as one that is much more natural to a wolf. But then again, me accusing Beau of that isn’t exactly news, huh?
December 21, 2011 at 5:47 pm
spookymilk
Yeah, but we’re still talking odds here. No wolf is going to “claim victory,” but killing a villager here would give them an extremely good chance of getting there.
I stress to anyone, villager or wolf: this should probably happen here. If he’s a wolf, the wolfiest thing that one could possibly do is abstain.
December 21, 2011 at 5:49 pm
mbnovak
Wouldn’t the real wolfiest thing be to push the vote of TAG if he’s a villager?
December 21, 2011 at 5:52 pm
spookymilk
I think abstaining is wolfier. The wolves, whoever they are, are in a very strong position. If they could kill a villager right now, they’d be totally safe to do it, considering the odds. If they’re a little worried about looking wolfy because of the tiny chance of the angel save, they can always make a well-reasoned post along with the vote. If TDO’s a villager, then even if we go to another day, the wolves are hidden.
December 21, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Beau
Right. But they haven’t which says a lot. Unless all three have already, which I doubt
December 21, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Grey
Please indicate to me if you want the day to continue if we reach majority shortly or if you want the death post and night to commence.
Nibbish(Father Ted, Killed night 1)TDO(Holy, lynched day 1)Adobery(Holy, lynched day 2DG(Father Dougal, killed night 2)Spooky voting for TAG
Will Young voting for TAG
KG voting for TAG
cheaptoy
bhiggum
beau (1)
Mbnovak voting for TAG
TheAlmightyGuru (4) voting for beau
five for a majority
December 21, 2011 at 5:12 pm
spookymilk
I’m probably in favor of having the rest of the day to talk, as annoying as I know that is for a mod. The village needs the time to sort things out a bit in this one.
On the other hand, I work smack in the middle of tomorrow, so selfishly, I’d love to do another day, but the lack of info we could give and get before that might be a problem.
If my answer can be “let us talk for a while if TAG is a wolf, but just get it over with if he’s not,” I’d be in favor of that, but that probably doesn’t work…
December 21, 2011 at 5:23 pm
mbnovak
I have no preference. I also have limited availability tonight, since I’m way the crap behind on Christmas shopping, etc.
December 21, 2011 at 5:25 pm
spookymilk
I just finished mine. I’m always less tense during December when I get it done way before this, but I insist on acting this way at least 75% of years. When will I learn?
December 21, 2011 at 5:36 pm
mbnovak
I’m usually better. But there was that whole “week in the hospital” thing.
December 21, 2011 at 5:36 pm
spookymilk
Indeed. You get a pass.
December 21, 2011 at 6:00 pm
bhiggum
OK, I’m back and caught up on the posts. As I mentioned above, I’m definitely onboard with the TAG vote, and waiting until near the deadline for the last vote.
December 21, 2011 at 6:02 pm
bhiggum
Or when cheaptoy gets back from working out and is bored with waiting for something to happen.
December 21, 2011 at 6:04 pm
spookymilk
…okay, but why then?
If we vote for him now, we can move forward under the assumption that he’s a wolf – and between the facts that nobody’s jumped on and he hasn’t shown up again here (perhaps to avoid giving something away) – and we can talk about our post-today strategy.
If people wait until the deadline, we’ll almost certainly waste the rest of the day talking about TAG, when it could be better spent talking about the rest of the game, which we might want to do since we’re in such a tremendous pickle.
December 21, 2011 at 6:21 pm
bhiggum
I don’t mind ending the day early, I guess. Novak, Beau? Anyone else have a problem with going to majority on TAG in the next 15 minutes?
December 21, 2011 at 6:12 pm
TheAlmightyGuru
It’s very easy for to go along with the crowd when you’re sure everyone else agrees with you, but that’s exactly the sort of thing a wolf would do.
Unvote: Beau
Vote: Bhiggum
December 21, 2011 at 6:05 pm
mbnovak
Well. I need to head out for a while. I’m hopeful that I’ll be able to peek in periodically as things go on. I like the vote for TAG, and I’m keeping it there.
As the day has developed I haven’t been swayed from my “either Spooky or Beau” position. And I’m not comfortable saying it’s not both of them. I’m also developing some contingent thoughts about Spooky if TAG turns out to be a villager.
December 21, 2011 at 6:14 pm
spookymilk
Holy shit, guys, Lagunitas IPA is way better on draught than it is in a bottle. Sweet mother of mystery, this shit is metallic. What a letdown. They know all the ins and outs of blending a good beer, but they can’t nail bottling? Fuckin’ fuck.
Embarrassing Drinking Story #24: I once woke up in a strange girl’s bed with a used condom on. That throbbed for a few days.
December 21, 2011 at 6:14 pm
The Dread Pirate
Feck! Chuckle!
December 21, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Beau
I heard you can take them off before three days are up
December 21, 2011 at 6:21 pm
kg2005
Done with work, can concentrate on this for the rest of the night (for the most part).
If we get a majority soon I would be happy with moving tonight (maybe wait 30 minutes after the last vote)? Like spooky, I’m being selfish because I don’t think I’ll get to play much, if at all tomorrow. I’ll be driving 6 and a half hours and then attending a Christmas party.
December 21, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Beau
Now that I’m not on my D
Roid anymore, let’s do this. Letting TAG talk more is pointless. He can throw votes on others and we have no way of knowing if they’re villagers or wolves. If he’s a villager, then my word the wolves have played the best game ever, and I will bow to thee.
Vote: The Almighty Guru
December 21, 2011 at 6:36 pm
The Dread Pirate
Phone! Ass! Flashback! F
eck!
December 21, 2011 at 6:29 pm
Grey
TAG has been hauled of to jail
feel free to discuss
December 21, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Grey
I have company, so I’m working off of the assumption that you all want to discuss for the rest of the day. Under that assumption I will declare night at 10pm CST and put up the death post at that point.
December 21, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Grey
If there is a unanimous vote to do the death post now and leave the rest of the day for more voting that’s fine too… I’ll check in in about 20 minutes
December 21, 2011 at 6:32 pm
spookymilk
Yeah, we’re too close to night to do it any other way, as much as I want to find out for sure what up.
December 21, 2011 at 6:36 pm
bhiggum
I’m curious enough to want the death post right now- we’ve got more than four hours until regular night time.
December 21, 2011 at 6:43 pm
spookymilk
Alright. So:
I think TAG was a wolf. If I can’t be sure about that, given the circumstances, I can’t be sure of anything in this game anymore.
If he was, his inactivity hasn’t left much of a trail. Sure, there’s Beau, but…ugh, I don’t know. He drew me in with that long post, but he also knows that flattery works on me, so it may have been smooth talking.
I forgot bhiggum was in this game. That worries me. When he showed up, he wanted to wait until the last minute to vote and was rarin’ to start the next day. That’s wolfy as shit, but I happen to know that bhiggum always votes last in Survivor, even if it’s an academic vote. The dude is just cautious all the time.
I trust DPWY implicitly right now. Famous last words, sure, but he’s really made use of what little he can, seemingly.
Novak is obviously the bane of my existence. Whether or not he’s a wolf, I know he could pull this shit off as a wolf. I’m learning what it’s like to try to separate that fact from the facts of the game. At the moment I think he’s clean, but ask me in five minutes.
cheaptoy looks dirty as all get-out to me, despite Will’s cries that he’s not any different. Someone said that cheaptoy seems more analytical when he’s a wolf, and that’s true. When he’s a villager he just owns his lack of sureness. When he’s a wolf, he lays out all his thoughts on the table.
Who’s left? Ah yes, kg. He’s been off my radar all game long. Again, famous last words, but I trust him. Part of this may be because I’ve never seen him as a wolf yet (to my knowledge) and he’s acting just like the usual kg I know. It would be a masterful wolf game on his part – one I think he’s capable of – but I don’t think that’s what we’re seeing yet.
We can also talk about what the angel should do here, if anyone thinks that’s a good idea.
December 21, 2011 at 6:47 pm
kg2005
Glad to see our lists match.
December 21, 2011 at 7:39 pm
cheaptoy1
I will say that in the last game right before we took that hiatus, I was a villager and had a decidedly analytical game (i had DG dead to rights, but apparently didn’t have the wordsmithing ability to convince dk.) I’ve been good this week because I wanted to be as helpful as could be.
December 21, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Beau
The only thing I could be in favor of is say having the night post at 6:30 or 7 CST and then making the next day last until tomorrow at 10 PM (unless we reach a majority).
December 21, 2011 at 6:47 pm
spookymilk
I’d actually agree with that. I’m curious as hell, but we need a little time to talk, and the villagers need a lot of time for day four.
December 21, 2011 at 6:49 pm
kg2005
Yeah, I vote for this.
December 21, 2011 at 6:55 pm
bhiggum
That was how I thought it would work, actually. I’m much more available to discuss tonight than I will be tomorrow morning, so this would be great.
December 21, 2011 at 6:44 pm
kg2005
Okay, assuming TAG is a wolf (because we have to), I think I’ve narrowed the two wolves down to three people. Spooky and Will jumped on the TAG bandwagon right away this morning so I have no doubt about them. Novak came on later, but I was already pretty cool on him and since he was leaving he probably could have gone away without making a vote and that would have been a good excuse. He’s off my list.
Beau, sorry. You were last to vote TAG but by that point the writing was on the wall.
Cheaptoy, you’ve seemed really villagery, but I haven’t found a play that you’ve made that would exonerate you.
Same for bhiggum. You’ve been way too quiet. With a nearly perfect game by the wolves so far, it leads me to believe that they have been very quiet.
December 21, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Beau
I most certainly realize that my TAG vote doesn’t exonerate me, what with it being the fifth (along with my back and forth on him all game long). Just remember it doesn’t implicate me either.
December 21, 2011 at 6:49 pm
kg2005
No, it doesn’t. If I thought it did I would have said as much. As it is there are two wolves in three people and I don’t have much else to say about it yet.
December 21, 2011 at 6:55 pm
bhiggum
I’ve been pretty quiet today, I can admit that. I’ve tried to write longer posts when I had the chance. I wanted to vote TAG, but he was at 4 votes and I didn’t want to be that last vote, especially early, without the other villagers being for voting to be closed.
December 21, 2011 at 7:05 pm
spookymilk
Colin, though I’m on record with the “End today in an hour and start a new one to end tomorrow” thing, the most important thing is that everyone knows when it’s ending. As long as nothing is sprung on us, I think everyone will be fine.
December 21, 2011 at 7:09 pm
Beau
agreed
December 21, 2011 at 7:10 pm
spookymilk
I’m waiting for Colin to decide whether or not to move forward, but nobody has commented on angel protection. I’m sure the angel is obsessing about it, so I wonder if we can give any help without making it obvious, you know?
I’m getting drunk. Maybe the is impossible.
December 21, 2011 at 7:11 pm
spookymilk
Uh, “this.” Maybe THIS is impossible. Gargle gargle. IPA is delicious. Feck.
December 21, 2011 at 7:15 pm
kg2005
The angel has to try to protect one of the most obvious villagers, right? Deciding who they are may be an exercise in futility, especially considering the wolves will be watching.
December 21, 2011 at 7:29 pm
kg2005
Unless you think we should give the angel some ideas. It might be worth talking about.
December 21, 2011 at 7:40 pm
spookymilk
That’s what I mean. The angel is doubtless obsessing about who’s who as much as I am and wants nothing more than to get that extra day back.
I need protection, I think, but saying so can be a little much so I’m not going to beg for protection if the angel finds it wolfy.
You’re pretty villagery. You’re a good target, too
December 21, 2011 at 7:42 pm
kg2005
Will would probably be a good choice, too. I don’t think anyone really doubts him anymore.
December 21, 2011 at 7:43 pm
spookymilk
Right, forgot about Will. Getting pretty drunk here.
December 21, 2011 at 7:12 pm
mbnovak
Checking in, then disappearing again…
I’m ok with the night ending whenever.
I have no opinions on who the angel should protect. Obviously I think I’m the most-villagery.
If TAG is a wolf, then I think there’s enough tracing back to Beau. Specifically yesterday, when he pulled his vote off of him when things got close early in the day.
If TAG turns out to be a villager, the Angel should definitely not protect Spooky.
December 21, 2011 at 7:15 pm
Beau
If TAG turns out to be a villager, the chances of the village winning are about the same as Drew Butera winning the Triple Crown next year.
December 21, 2011 at 7:19 pm
spookymilk
Yeah, let’s just not worry about if TAG is a villager.
December 21, 2011 at 7:41 pm
cheaptoy1
Oh, and I’m ok with ending the day whenever as well.
December 21, 2011 at 7:42 pm
spookymilk
Of course you are
December 21, 2011 at 7:44 pm
cheaptoy1
But because I’m old and don’t want to stay up too late. (and you said you’re ok with it before I did so…. just saying)
December 21, 2011 at 7:46 pm
spookymilk
You’re saying “whenever” and I’m being careful to make sure it doesn’t creep up on us. It’s not the same thing. I shouldn’t drunk-post too much, though, if I want to make sense here.
December 21, 2011 at 7:48 pm
cheaptoy1
Spooky at 7:05 EST: Colin, though I’m on record with the “End today in an hour and start a new one to end tomorrow” thing,
Its not quite the same as “whenever”, but my whenever was stated long after a time was proposed, so I went with it.
December 21, 2011 at 7:52 pm
kg2005
What?
December 21, 2011 at 7:53 pm
kg2005
Seriously, you left the comma in from the rest of the post that says the complete opposite of what you’re trying to say.
December 21, 2011 at 8:21 pm
cheaptoy1
I was just pointing out that spooky is on board with ending early, which is a position I took and he tried to use against me.
December 21, 2011 at 8:25 pm
spookymilk
Early, but NOT without warning.
December 21, 2011 at 8:28 pm
cheaptoy1
Ah, so what we have here… is a failure…. to commyooncate.
I thought you were just getting on me for suggesting we end early and I can see why you thought I meant “at any time so everyone is caught off guard.” Sorry about that. I did actually mean whenever everyone was ready for it.
December 21, 2011 at 7:46 pm
The Dread Pirate
Semi-lucid thoughts:
1. My sister’s back in town, so I’m heading over to my parents’ house momentarily to help them decorate the Christmas tree. Not sure if I’ll be back again until late this evening.
2. I’m not sure angel discussion will be too beneficial. Assuming TAG is a wolf, that means there will still be four other villagers left. I’m guessing that each of us might protect a different person as the angel. Discussion to narrow it down at all might not help because anything said is just going to be parsed and used by the wolves.
3. Beau backed TAG yesterday when he was almost lynched early in the day. Beau then put the jailing vote on TAG today after almost everyone agreed that there was no point in stringing the voting along. On its face, that seems really wolfy but I have to think Beau would know that, so I’m guessing there’s nothing there.
4. Conversely, bhiggum put TAG at the brink yesterday and then didn’t chime in today until right before TAG was hauled off to jail. It’s pretty-much the reverse-Beau move and the complete 180 also makes it seem pretty wolfy (I can’t vouch for his deliberateness like spooky can). If he and Beau are working together to pretty much always go in opposite directions, that’s pretty impressive work through three days.
5. Novak was not nearly as bombastic and aggressive today as the past few days. Now that the day seems to be coming to a close, he’s back to making insinuations at spooky. Spooky is the one who maintains Novak can pull of the loud, aggressive newb wolf, but I’m still not buying it.
6. Cheaptoy’s explanation following my lucid post above was exactly how I interpreted his Dougal comment yesterday. Again, I never see anything wolfy in him until I let the seeds get planted in my head by others. I’m not seeing much at all this game that doesn’t add up, so I don’t see him as a wolf.
7. I haven’t had a single wolfy-vibe from KG the entire game. Seems like I’m not the only one feeling that way, so if he’s a wolf I’m pretty sure we’re absolutely screwed.
8. Also, while I’m using a lucid post, I will be at the Walker Art Center tomorrow evening for the British Ad Awards and will likely miss the evening and deadline. Just wanted to get that out there early. Sounds like others will also not be able to help much tomorrow, but at least we will know where we stand.
9. Finally, I’m not sure what to make of TAG’s vote to switch off Beau and onto bhiggum right before he was hauled off to jail. For our sake, I’m assuming he’s a wolf, so what does that vote mean? Again, Beau and bhiggum seem to be oscillating moves, so having TAG switch right along with them seems fishy.
December 21, 2011 at 7:50 pm
spookymilk
Re: #9:
I think TAG knew he was dead, so I think there’s a chance bhiggum is a wolf and TAG was thinking, “Hey, at least I can vote for a wolf and hide him if I’m going to die.”
There were no votes on bhiggum and he hadn’t been discussed seriously for ages, if at all. Assuming TAG is a wolf and he had a motive, I think bhiggum might be a wolf. There’s no other sensible explanation for that move.
December 21, 2011 at 7:47 pm
kg2005
Can we all agree on 7 central if Grey is here? I don’t think I have too much more I want to say.
December 21, 2011 at 7:55 pm
kg2005
Or if not 7, another time?
December 21, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Beau
7:30, 8:00,
whenever. Just as long as it’s not instantaneous.December 21, 2011 at 8:03 pm
kg2005
Agreed, which is why I think we should pick a time now.
December 21, 2011 at 8:08 pm
spookymilk
Yes, drunken me demands structure
December 21, 2011 at 8:09 pm
kg2005
7:30? Is everyone okay with that?
December 21, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Beau
Okay, 8:00 then. But it’s grey’s decision, not ours. If he doesn’t show up, this conversation is acade…pointless.
December 21, 2011 at 8:10 pm
cheaptoy1
8:00 works for me. That still gives me a bit under an hour to join spooky in drunkeness.
December 21, 2011 at 8:10 pm
kg2005
8:00 works. Right, that depends upon Grey. I would just like to get some input in on the next day since I won’t be around much tomorrow.
December 21, 2011 at 8:10 pm
spookymilk
Sure, but is Colin around right now?
Angel, protect the right person. I think that;’s kg or Will unless someone say s something different
December 21, 2011 at 8:18 pm
kg2005
Bhiggum and Novak have already agreed to end the night early. If Grey is around at 8 I think that’s unanimous.
December 21, 2011 at 7:58 pm
cheaptoy1
Alright, I’m going to try to get some thoughts in before this night ends:
I still don’t fully trust spooky with him suddenly making a case against myself, as I feel I’ve been pretty villagery (and mostly helpful) all week, as stated by others. That said, his confusion is something that I could see being genuine or I could see it as a ruse to deflect attention. Right now, I’m not comfortable with a spooky as a wolf vote.
bhiggum is definitely scary, he could be playing the quiet wolf play beautifully. More observation is necessary.
Will has been quite villagery to me in his lucid posts. He’s laid out pretty good rationale all three days.
kg is the same, don’t see anything there.
Novak has me suspicious. To much shit-stirring for me to be completely comfortable thinking of him as a villager.
Beau, I think, is wolf #2. He’s been so up and down on the wolfy scale that I think he tips towards it, and I think he martyred TAG when all hope was lost for him.
December 21, 2011 at 8:09 pm
spookymilk
I agree with a lot of what you say, but I don’t think you’ve been “pretty villagery.” So, yeah.
December 21, 2011 at 8:11 pm
cheaptoy1
That’s why I said “pretty” (both meanings). I admit I tend to say dumb shit, so I’m never all the way villagery.
December 21, 2011 at 8:15 pm
spookymilk
That’s kind of why I enjoy playing with you to some extent. You’re so damned impossible to read
December 21, 2011 at 8:17 pm
cheaptoy1
…to some extent…
I don’t know if I should be flattered or offended.
December 21, 2011 at 8:18 pm
spookymilk
Ha! What I mean is, I also like playing with you because I like you. So, the unreadability is just part of it.
December 21, 2011 at 8:23 pm
cheaptoy1
I’ll drink to that.
December 21, 2011 at 8:33 pm
spookymilk
Opening presents with Milkmaid, Skim, Sour Cream and my mom right now. Will be back soon, methinks
December 21, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Beau
Dread Pirate has not confirmed that he wants it to end early that I can see.
December 21, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Grey
I’m here.
I will set the end of the day at 8:30pm
December 21, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Grey
I would do it earlier but I’m pissed about you guys and all your IPA talk and I’m drinking fucking shitty wine.
December 21, 2011 at 8:58 pm
cheaptoy1
The only way to make shitty wine better is to keep drinking it.
Also, if it makes you feel better, I have no IPA to drink. (just a barleywine I made and some good bourbon for after….)
December 21, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Beau
And I have no alcohol in the house…so there.
December 21, 2011 at 9:03 pm
bhiggum
And I’m at work, so screw you all.
December 21, 2011 at 9:04 pm
mbnovak
Diaper Time!
Actually, just peeking in. Out until well after the deadline now.
December 21, 2011 at 9:03 pm
Grey
Is it silly to wait until 8:30? I thought it would take longer to write the death post. ..
I’m ready if you guys are.
December 21, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Grey
yeah fuck it whatever you guys already agreed on 8:00 anyway. I’m going to declare night in 5 minutes unless someone screams at me
December 21, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Beau
I’m sitting here watching The Edge because I thought it would help me while I try to cope with this crazy week and get my paperwork done. Turns out I like it way too much. David Mamet can have my children. Anyway, probably going to make my last post here.
Alright guys and wolves. I hate this. I realize this may appear as selfish, but I need to do it anyway. I’m Mrs. Doyle, the angel. I’m actually hoping this is,, going to help the village. I feel like the huge uncertainty around me with everyone is actually going to get us killed. And since I’m super busy, it really looks like I won’t have much time to help defend myself and find other wolves.
So I figured having one less unknown villager out there will help. While there is always a chance I could be helpful on day 5, we need to get there. There’s a very little chance I’ll be helpful tonight anyway. At best I could make a (barely) educated guess as to who the wolves would have killed.
Martyring in this fashion could make me look like a wolf if I was kept alive, except if I then killed the real angel, that would be suicide. Good luck, all.
December 21, 2011 at 9:11 pm
kg2005
…what. the. fuck.
December 21, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Grey
it is night
December 21, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Grey
As the sun sets on the parish of St Leche, and the milkmaids bounce along the paths back to the dairy, and the little ones play in the muck about the gallows, a crowd begins to gather for the evening spectacle.
As they approach they all feel the same sense of jubilation from the prior evening, and their hearts leap higher as they revitalize the familiar opportunity to witness a hanging.
“What does a werewolf look like?” is the question on every one’s lips this evening.
“Like this motherf**kers!” was the response from the gallows.
As the gallows opened and the vomit covered body of TheAlmightyGuru was plunged to the never-after, the parishioners slowly pulled their heads out of their asses to witness the death howl of an unholy for the first time.
Little Kenny, his crutch cradled in his arm, slowly raised his Jesus-those-are-so-huge eyes at TAG’s twitching form and said “Sorry, but them’s the breaks, newb.”
Nice work parish. You’ve killed an unholy.
Unholy, Mrs Doyle send your pick, please.
December 21, 2011 at 9:22 pm
Grey
day begins at 9am cst
December 21, 2011 at 9:23 pm
spookymilk
***SLEEPING***
Uh, I would have liked the extra ten minutes to talk. I’m back from Christmas now. This is all completely without true strategy, by the way, and solely Christmas related:
cheaptoy, I know your part in the gifts I received, and I’m going to have one fuck of a time ever killing you again.
I will have your babies.
You too, Beau. Thanks for steering Cathy in the right direction.
***SLEEPING***
December 21, 2011 at 9:32 pm
cheaptoy1
***DRINKING BEFORE SLEEPING***
It was surprisingly hard not to tell you I knew what you were getting. Also, feel free to ask me any questions and make sure you go here: http://howtobrew.com/intro.html
***STILL DRINKING MAY NOT SLEEP***
December 21, 2011 at 9:35 pm
spookymilk
***SAME***
I expect to be bothering you a lot about this.
***YEP***