Sometimes, heroes get a break. If your series has been marked with death episode after episode, at some point there has to be a breather for your good guys.
This is one such breather.
Rubicant spoke with the rest of the four elemental fiends, and the heroes exchanged pleasantries and such while learning of one another’s personal foibles.
It was an uneventful night.
The wolves failed to send a kill. I shit you not. This wasn’t a Kain save. They had a (soft) 90 minutes like every other wolf team, and I prodded the wolves to make a kill before I went to bed because I almost wouldn’t be awake for daybreak.
The wolves bade their time, and in doing so, gave the village an extra day.
Anyone’s game, bitches.
sherrymac1031 (Day One, villager, had been ill)
kg2005 (Day One, Tricker, didn’t take much effort)
The Dread Pirate (Night One, villager, too charismatic)
xxtdiddyxx (Day Two, villager, looks like a fried egg in death)
abbyszoo
davidtucker659
Inkarnit
joepunman
nettiebarron
nibbish
rob
rockitlikeroxanne
todahshy
Five is a majority. Because it’s 6-3, Rubicant still has silence power, and the village has gained a “screwup” day unless they lynch a villager and Kain jumps wrongfully.
What a night. Let’s reward it with a more talkative day.
IT IS DAY
Casa de Leche 
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September 10, 2015 at 9:03 am
davidtucker659
Seriously? We got a reprieve? Well, I definitely lead the charge on tdiddy but, like sherry, I feel like he helped his own demise by being so strange from the start that he painted a target on himself. Inkarnit hopefully can confirm being silenced but I think it was pretty obvious that was what happened.
So now the question…the wolves sent no kill. We need to look over the day and see who was especially quiet, especially at the end of the day.
September 10, 2015 at 9:14 am
todahshy
So everyone? If we lose this after this gift. We are officially the worst village ever. But to be fair the first two kills we made were being terrible villagers. They gave us no choice.
September 10, 2015 at 9:30 am
davidtucker659
A few of us were significantly more active than the rest of the village. You, Netti, Abby, and myself seemed most active especially towards the end. So, yeah, still the whole village. I know if I were the wolf and noone was responding to me to get a kill in, I’d just send one in myself so it sounds like they were completely offline overnight.
September 10, 2015 at 9:45 am
Inkarnit
I wouldn’t assume all were completely offline. I’ve been a wolf and in the process of trying to figure out what to do and no one wants to be the one to decide wrong. If you have 1 absent wolf and you’re stuck waiting for their input, I could see how it could happen. Almost happened when I was a wolf with… DP and Colin? I think? Doesn’t matter but don’t use that to determine who all three are necessarily.
September 10, 2015 at 9:50 am
davidtucker659
Oh, I’m sure it can (and obviously did) happen but I just know if it was me…I’d send in a vote to kill someone unilaterally if I couldn’t get anyone to respond in time.
September 10, 2015 at 9:54 am
nettiebarron
This.
September 10, 2015 at 9:16 am
davidtucker659
Its hard to keep up with the conversation but I’ll make two observations:
robzk was entirely absent yesterday
nibbish, while present, was mostly gone and after giving an interesting analysis early, vanished again, only to quickly hop on the diddy wagon at closing time. not sure what to think about that one.
September 10, 2015 at 9:30 am
todahshy
Rob was the name that popped into my head for totally absent people last night. I dont remember him conributing much at the end. He did tell us during the day he wouldn’t be around but going just off that that’s a good place to start.
Nibbish did a very brief pop in, as did Roxeanne.
Otherwise for the last half hour of a werewolf game it was way too quiet. Usually half the day’s posts happen then.
September 10, 2015 at 9:39 am
Inkarnit
Yeah Rob could be the third wolf too I suppose but he hasn’t really pinged my radar too much.
September 10, 2015 at 9:35 am
Inkarnit
Hah! Seriously?
OK so yeah I was silenced at 9:43am. I posted my vote at 9:28am. The active players at that time were punman, todahshy, and DT. Annette also came on and commented on my post 7 minutes later. This, coupled with the voting at day 1 and 2 end, along with punman’s early comments questioning silencing, lead me to believe that punman and Annette are both wolves. I think punman is Rubicant. It could be Annette though. But I still think they’re both wolves. Looking at the voting and behavior, along with the failure to night kill leads me to the third wolf being either nibbish or Roxanne. I’m not sure exactly which right now, but either fits. I say we kill Annette today like I TRIED to do yesterday and then let me be night killed and you guys finish up the save after.
Oh, and Cecil and Kain might want to role claim now.
September 10, 2015 at 9:38 am
Inkarnit
I WILL be active today. Unless I’m silenced again which will tell you something. The wolves, of course, will try to say that I’m a wolf and did it to myself or whatever. Just look in detail at what I just posted and research it in case I stop talking all of a sudden.
September 10, 2015 at 9:42 am
Inkarnit
Also I forgot to point out Annette being the first to mention me being silenced. I think her or punman being Rubicant makes total sense and they wanted to lock my vote on Annette (or whoever voted for a wolf first) to draw suspicion AWAY from whoever was voted. It was a gamble but it paid off, as I saw people state Annette wasn’t a suspect to them because I was silenced with a vote on her.
September 10, 2015 at 9:49 am
davidtucker659
That was actually my thinking…with your vote locked on Annette I actually assumed that cleared them as a wolf. I like this argument so far.
September 10, 2015 at 9:44 am
davidtucker659
No, I totally agree. The most interesting thing about you being silenced was that I assumed a wolf would not want you to give some sort of analysis. Good catch on all of punman’s questions on it too.
We definitely need a Cecil claim at least at this point.
September 10, 2015 at 9:37 am
Inkarnit
Oops forgot to vote Annette
September 10, 2015 at 10:13 am
nettiebarron
And to think I actually missed your help yesterday. **smacks forehead**
September 10, 2015 at 9:39 am
davidtucker659
roxanne was on my radar yesterday as a possible wolf. Rob was more active in the morning than I realized (i searched for robzk) and did give warning he would vanish.
September 10, 2015 at 9:51 am
nettiebarron
Roxanne has to be a wolf. She said she was sick. That might explain last night. And probably Abby.
September 10, 2015 at 9:58 am
davidtucker659
Abby’s an interesting case because of school. She very well could have been unable to get a vote in because she was in class by the deadline. So that’s very possible. Roxanne being sick is another one who might have had a reason to stay in bed and not vote a kill in.
So who’s left? Punman & Rob are strong options. You remain in the middle for me as well but now I’m less sure.
September 10, 2015 at 10:06 am
nettiebarron
Abby is 14. She was probably not in school at 9:00 last night.
September 10, 2015 at 10:10 am
davidtucker659
Oh, I’m sure…but would she have sent in a vote by herself if noone was responding when she left for school? I mean a vote as a wolf to kill a villager.
September 10, 2015 at 10:11 am
nettiebarron
I doubt it. This is why she’s moved pretty far up my list.
September 10, 2015 at 10:17 am
rob
Real life stuff like this is interesting. I had no idea she was so young. On one hand, that makes the first day stuff less suspicious, but I can see a case for her not feeling comfortable acting alone if the other wolves hadn’t weighed in. With that, I agree with nettie on her being up there on the list.
September 10, 2015 at 9:48 am
nibbish
Okay, so truth be told, I probably shouldn’t be playing this week. I’ve had no time, either in the daytime or in the evenings, to play, and that’s not really going to change today.
That said…
If I’m a wolf, there is a zero percent chance that I’d allow a no kill night.
We are looking at people who are either very new, or were very inactive yesterday.
I’m guessing Rob is one.
September 10, 2015 at 10:24 am
joepunman
I’m with Nibbish, the wolves have GOT to be newer players. I can’t see NIbbish, Inkarnit, or Todahshy forgetting a night kill. Even if they are playing strategically to throw us off, it does no good to give the village an extra day.
September 10, 2015 at 9:49 am
nettiebarron
Seriously? There’s no effin way I’m going to forget to night kill as a wolf or let a deadline pass. Not if I’m around, and I was.
September 10, 2015 at 9:55 am
davidtucker659
So another question would be: Who is the most new to the game and likely to make a mistake like this? I obviously am very new to this group but I am a huge gamer…and as I generally am my group’s GM, I don’t pass up opportunities to get a kill >8D
But I don’t know anyone well enough yet to make that call on other people. While I’m convinced by Ink’s argumment on Nettie I feel like we have a couple other options that are also really solid, like joe. So I’m going to start there
vote punman
September 10, 2015 at 11:14 am
joepunman
I understand your train of thought and your vote, having not played with me before. But I assure you, I would NOT have forgotten a night kill like that. I’ve played this enough to know that the wolves in no way should have done that.
September 10, 2015 at 9:55 am
rob
Morning all. Well, this development gives the village a much needed shot. I am sorry about being gone yesterday night. I have a second job at the YMCA and was on shift until 10:00, so I wasn’t able to check anything until it was too late.
When I left work in the afternoon, Roxanne was on the top of my list due to her being infrequent in posting. With her being sick, that may explain a bit.
I definitely agree with david and Inkarnit that Cecil should claim now. I’ll read back over the night again and post my thoughts on everyone else shortly.
September 10, 2015 at 10:03 am
davidtucker659
unvote punman
Actually, I want to be very careful on voting today. The wolves + 2 villagers could quickly take down a villager via vote which would be bad. I don’t think given the activity level that it is really a risk but I want to avoid it anyway.
September 10, 2015 at 10:11 am
davidtucker659
I think the people least likely to have let this happen last night…have mostly said something
September 10, 2015 at 10:15 am
nettiebarron
I agree, mostly. Someone could still be silenced today though.
September 10, 2015 at 10:17 am
davidtucker659
Possible but I’m also not giving the wolves a lot of credit at the moment!
September 10, 2015 at 10:20 am
rob
Related to that, can Cecil please claim now? I suggested waiting yesterday on the thought that if s/he was getting in trouble, s/he could get bailed out, but today, we need to get a solid villager and if cecil is silenced before claiming, that rally hurts us.
September 10, 2015 at 10:22 am
Inkarnit
Agreed.
September 10, 2015 at 10:24 am
davidtucker659
+1
September 10, 2015 at 10:27 am
nettiebarron
Yep yep, come on out Cecil.
September 10, 2015 at 10:31 am
todahshy
Agree 100%.
September 10, 2015 at 10:15 am
Inkarnit
OK Annette, convince me not to vote for you. What about punman? Is he a wolf or villager. Explain.
September 10, 2015 at 10:17 am
nettiebarron
Just not sure about Punman. I suppose it is possible he missed the night kill last night. He DOES have a boatload of children.
September 10, 2015 at 10:21 am
Inkarnit
Night kill absence aside, what about the rest of his game?
September 10, 2015 at 10:25 am
nettiebarron
Once I get to work, I’ll look back over his game. He hasn’t really been on my radar, but that’s no defense for him. You lumping him with me makes me not look at him as hard, but that’s a mistake.
September 10, 2015 at 10:25 am
joepunman
I was studying for an exam last night, and yes, I have a boatload of children, but I would’ve sent a unilateral kill rather than not send a kill.
September 10, 2015 at 10:16 am
davidtucker659
Right now my leading 3:
Punman
Abby
Roxanne
Mostly basing this right now on the fact that it seems likely that Abby wouldn’t have sent in a vote by herself before going to school, Roxanne wasn’t very involved yesterday and being sick (if true) may have kept her away, and Punman was just very quiet.
September 10, 2015 at 10:21 am
Inkarnit
The night kill would have been made last night after night was called. Not this morning. School isn’t an issue there. This tells me you’re clean though… Lol
You guys are focusing too much on the absent night kill, which could be a clue, but is not necessarily.
September 10, 2015 at 10:23 am
davidtucker659
Oh, I assumed it could be made any time from night fall to day break
September 10, 2015 at 10:31 am
nettiebarron
I think the abse5of a night kill is HUGE.
September 10, 2015 at 10:34 am
nettiebarron
Absence! Geez.
September 10, 2015 at 10:28 am
davidtucker659
I am less sure on punman now that he’s here but Roxanne and Abby both remain on my radar.
September 10, 2015 at 10:30 am
Inkarnit
I’m like 90% on punman and 95% on Annette. Waiting to see whether Annette is willing to throw punman under the bus to decide whether those numbers move up or down and which to lynch first.
September 10, 2015 at 10:37 am
rob
Okay – here’s a really odd idea. Yesterday night, spooky says this in closing:
Tomorrow will be 5-3 and therefore a deciding day, meaning no silencing power for Rubicant. However, if there’s a successful jump for Kain it’ll be 6-3 and therefore it wouldn’t be a deciding day and Rubicant can still silence someone.
Is it possible that the wolves decide not to make a night kill? If Kain thinks that he is going to be targeted by the wolves, he might decide to risk the game by jumping, with the payoff being that if he is right, it’s 6-3 and the village knows three people for sure (2 villagers and 1 wolf). That would the worst possible outcome for the wolves.
By not picking, they might have thought the risk (6-3 today if he didn’t jump) was worth the sacrifice.
As a bonus, we’ve spent most of the morning so far thinking of who would be inexperienced enough to not send out a night kill instead of focusing on previous days’ activities.
September 10, 2015 at 10:37 am
rob
Oops – missed the italics close…
September 10, 2015 at 10:42 am
nibbish
Alright, explain why the wolves would do this.
September 10, 2015 at 10:45 am
nibbish
That’s a stretch, I think. Those are pretty long odds for the wolves to forego a Final Day just so they can avoid the chance of this happening.
September 10, 2015 at 10:47 am
davidtucker659
I would want Kain to role claim in this case so we can see if we think he might have been a legit target.
September 10, 2015 at 10:53 am
rob
I agree, but I’d like to get more people’s thoughts on this first. Getting everyone’s thoughts before getting concrete info will help sort things out later.
September 10, 2015 at 10:48 am
rob
I personally agree, but it is a scenario that would explain it other than incompetence.
September 10, 2015 at 10:37 am
nibbish
The fact that Inkarnit was lynched means that either the wolves were afraid of him giving himself away, or the wolves are trying to pin him as a fall guy.
The fact that he thinks that the absence of a night kill is not necessarily a clue is…odd.
September 10, 2015 at 10:41 am
davidtucker659
I did think that as well…it is a huge clue. Of what, I’m not sure, but it is a clue. Especially with what rob just reposted. With a successful Kain jump + Cecil coming out we’d actually know 3 villagers and 1 wolf. That would be fairly huge.
With that said, that would take a fairly lucky break and if I was Kain, I don’t know if I’d have been comfortable jumping and risking the whole thing with 2 kills.
September 10, 2015 at 10:44 am
davidtucker659
With that said…I don’t think Ink is a wolf. He called for Cecil to role claim pretty quick which would only help the village.
September 10, 2015 at 10:54 am
nibbish
But that’s an obvious enough strategy that a wolf would definitely bring it up. It’s a help to the village, but it’s little enough to not necessarily be a game changer. On the other hand, getting a little bit of villager credit goes a long way for a wolf sometimes.
September 10, 2015 at 10:41 am
nettiebarron
I was thinking this, too. Also, I think you mean silenced, not lynched.
September 10, 2015 at 10:47 am
nibbish
I do, indeed, mean that very thing!
September 10, 2015 at 10:54 am
Inkarnit
I said it could be a clue. I just think we’re spending too much energy focusing on that and ignoring the other behaviors. Combine it into the final equation, sure. But we have plenty to go on right now to pin some wolves. When I was a wolf and almost failed to submit a night kill it was with 2 vets and me. And we were all around. We just didn’t get to a decision. I ended up having to pull the trigger. It doesn’t necessarily mean we have a newb, as I was the newb there who was around.
September 10, 2015 at 10:54 am
Inkarnit
In fact, I tend to think spooky would be more lenient to new wolves than vets. This could be an indicator that it is veterans as wolves.
September 10, 2015 at 11:18 am
nettiebarron
He did say (soft) in his post. So I think he was being lenient.
September 10, 2015 at 10:51 am
nibbish
Okay, if we were to, say, put a villager in jail by accident today…
That would make it 5-3, then Calbrenna activates, giving us 4-3 (even if Kain jumps, he’s dead), then the night kill makes it 3-3.
So… uh… let’s be careful out there today.
September 10, 2015 at 10:59 am
rob
Given the level of agreement and benefit of this, I’m guessing that Cecil is someone who hasn’t commented yet, which is Roxanne and Abby.
Between those two, I like Roxanne better, but either way, it’ll tell us something.
If I’m wrong and Cecil is present and talking, please just claim already.
September 10, 2015 at 11:00 am
rob
nesting fail – this should be on nibbish’s post below…
September 10, 2015 at 10:59 am
Inkarnit
That is a really good point. I guess we don’t want kain to claim. Damn.
September 10, 2015 at 11:06 am
nibbish
mmm…technically, whether or not Kain claims, Calbrena can take him out – whether or not they know who he is doesn’t seem to affect that at all.
So, we just need to make sure we don’t kill a villager today, which we should be trying not to do, anyway.
Though I guess if we did kill a villager, Kain would be the best one to kill, but I think that having the additional confirmed villager would be better, obviously.
So, I’ve made up my mind. Cecil, Kain, Rubicant, Cal, and Brena should role claim immediately.
September 10, 2015 at 11:11 am
Inkarnit
Whoa really? They don’t have to actually know who Kain is? Spooky?
If that’s the case then kain should absolutely come forward immediately, no?
September 10, 2015 at 11:16 am
nibbish
That’s how I read the rule, anyway. I asked Spooky for clarification, but haven’t heard back.
September 10, 2015 at 11:18 am
Inkarnit
I took at any time to mean whether Kain had jumped or not. But there is definitely no indication that it requires Kain to be known.
September 10, 2015 at 11:19 am
rob
I read it the same way you do, nibbish
Cal and Brena. These two combine to make an evil doll midway through the game called “Calbrena,” obviously. Cal and Brena are relatively weak before coming together, but are extremely strong after the merge. This is going to be…a weird power. Cal and Brena can come together at any time as long as both of them say “ACTIVATE CALBRENA” and if they do so, they will immediately kill Kain, and there will still be a night-kill.
September 10, 2015 at 11:19 am
nettiebarron
That’s the way I read it, too. They combine and automatically take out Kain.
September 10, 2015 at 10:52 am
nibbish
Cecil’s entire role is basically to role claim and take his rightful place as a true hero. It would not be a bad thing to have that happen, say… sometime soon.
September 10, 2015 at 11:10 am
todahshy
It’s gotta be Roxeanne or Abby. There’s no other reason for someone not to claim right now. It seems like everyone else is here and non silenced.
September 10, 2015 at 11:12 am
Inkarnit
Right. So the wolves had a 50% chance to silence Cecil. I think they succeeded. Otherwise, they silenced Kain?
September 10, 2015 at 11:22 am
todahshy
Well Abby we won’t know until afternoon due to school. If Roxeanne was unsilenced would she be saying anything?
September 10, 2015 at 10:54 am
davidtucker659
Ok, well, I’m heading to lunch now so hopefully there will be some clarity when I return in a couple hours!
September 10, 2015 at 11:07 am
Inkarnit
Nibbish has a great point above about the Main role claim being really bad for the village of we jail a villager. That being said, it actually moved him up on my radar. Remember earlier where I said I thought the third wolf was between him and Roxanne? Well then he comes in saying that my call for a Cecil role claim could be my attempt to gain villager credit, which goes a long way for a wolf and that what I pointed out was obvious anyway and not going to hurt the wolves much anyway. Then he comes in with this brilliant point about Kain being killed while a villager is jailed. This is the kind of thought process I’d expect a wolf to have discussed when trying to determine when to use the twin power. I think he’s doing exactly what he just accused me of: gaining villager cred in order to draw attention away. I’m not 100% sold on it and there’s very little from previous days to look at for nibbish, but we should put a pin in this for later when it comes to looking for the third wolf.
As for Cecil not coming forward, I think it’s likely that the wolves made an educated guess by the non claim and silenced Cecil.
September 10, 2015 at 11:18 am
nibbish
I can’t tell right now whether this post makes you more or less wolfy to me.
I’m leaning toward ‘less’ at the moment.
September 10, 2015 at 11:21 am
nettiebarron
It could just be that Cecil hasn’t shown up yet. Abby doesn’t show up until later in the day and who knows with Roxanne.
September 10, 2015 at 11:19 am
nibbish
If Inkarnit is feigning ignorance of the Calbrena rule, he’s doing a bangup job of it. There’s about a zero percent chance the wolves don’t know the ins and outs of the rule, so that makes me think Inkarnit is alright.
Carry on.
September 10, 2015 at 12:06 pm
joepunman
First time inkarnit played he did a very good job feigning ignorance
September 10, 2015 at 11:23 am
nibbish
The way Spooky words the post, it really seems as though he simply received nothing from the wolves about a kill. If it’s a orchestrated non-kill, I have to imagine that they would have informed him of this, especially with him pestering them via IM/Text/Phone/Televised PSA every twenty seconds.
Therefore, I conclude that the wolves were either non present, or too fresh to actually send in a proper kill without consulting.
September 10, 2015 at 11:24 am
nibbish
Vote Rob
Let’s let this percolate a bit and see if we can’t put pressure that means something on some folk today.
September 10, 2015 at 11:24 am
joepunman
Need Abby and Roxanne to show up if possible.
I still gotta believe that not making a night kill was a mistake, but Nibbish’s scenario means that the wolves can still end this today. I’m not sure whether that makes me suspect Nibbish more or less. After all, he was smart enough to think of it, but if he were a wolf, why would he bring it up. I’m still 95% sure he’s a villager.
Roxanne, Abby, Rob and David strike me as the most likely folks to forget to do a night kill.
Inkarnit silenced makes me more likely to think he’s a villager
Annette was targeted by Tdiddy before we killed him, I think it’s worth it to look more closely at her.
Todahshy – I can’t believe that he would let a night kill go like that, but he’s the only one other then Nibbish that I would think would consider the scenario that Nibbish presented.
September 10, 2015 at 11:32 am
nibbish
Inkarnit silenced makes me think LESS that he’s a villager, but the other things that I’ve brought up make me think more.
September 10, 2015 at 12:37 pm
davidtucker659
I mean, I know you don’t know me…but really? I was one of the most active yesterday, right up to closing time and then was the first one on this morning. You think I’d really forget to do a night kill despite being here most of the time?
September 10, 2015 at 11:27 am
rob
I’m off to lunch. I’ll be back around 1:00. I’m looking forward to seeing what comes out in the meantime.
September 10, 2015 at 11:30 am
todahshy
So I just caught up on all the Calbrenna talk. I had misread that power too. For some reason I assumed they autodied when they activated but I think I mist have just been assuming they would be auto lynched right after so why bother doing it? This new theory is terrifying.
So I’m in agreement we need the two villagers to claim. That gives us 3/7 shot rather than a 3/9 chance at picking a correct target tonight, which if we don’t we do we apparently lose.
Plus we can go back and look at the past couple days knowing two people are villagers and possibly get better clues.
Basically, we need AS MUCH INFO AS POSSIBLE.
September 10, 2015 at 11:32 am
todahshy
Also just having voices in the crowd we can absolutely trust is extremely helpful.
September 10, 2015 at 11:51 am
Inkarnit
Yeah, I mean it’s clear that Abby or Roxanne is Cecil at this point. But it’s also pretty clear that one of them is silenced. I’m hoping Cecil isn’t silenced but I think we have to assume he is. This leaves the other one as potentially Kain since Kain hasn’t claimed yet either.
September 10, 2015 at 12:03 pm
Inkarnit
OK, you guys aren’t seeing what I see yet on Annette. So I’ll back off for now and come back to that later. I’m fine with getting the other wolf first.
unvote Annette; vote punman
This is based on:
a) he was present at the time I was silenced
b) he was discussing silencing from 9:17am to 9:50am (I was silenced at 9:43am)
c) he cast a vote on me at 9:26am, prior to me being silenced (he could have already requested I be silenced by then but spooky didn’t get the email to me until later)
d) brings up the fact that he doesn’t think anyone was silenced in day 1… comes off odd here and states it must be a newb Rubicant (or himself..?)
e) jumps on the tdiddy wagon early
f) tries to convince todahshy to vote tdiddy when he removes vote to avoid majority, stating there’s still 2 votes needed to hit it
This all just from day 2. When we take day 1 into consideration too:
g) he points out that “if inkarnit doesn’t get silenced right away, we immediately have to suspect he’s Rubicant” which could be why punman has Rubicant did NOT silence anyone… to draw attention to me… but the on day 2 he does silence me. “But why would I silence him after I’m the one that made that joke?!” Exactly.
h) his identification of understanding the rules so clearly indicated that he parsed them thoroughly, which a wolf would absolutely need to do
i) directs a vote to DP stating that he, myself, and rob were “throwing lots of shade”
j) removes his vote from DP with a list drawing attention to almost all villagers (don’t know whether Abby is yet or not… but his thought was to vote either sherry or abby)
k) jumps on the sherry wagon with less than 30 minutes until night
I think that’s it for now. I’m sure there’s more.
September 10, 2015 at 12:04 pm
nettiebarron
I am Kain. I was going to jump so Spooky would confirm, but apparently that freezes my vote and I am out for the day. I can do that though, if someone tries to fake claim after me. So Vote Roxanne just in case I have to jump.
September 10, 2015 at 12:06 pm
Inkarnit
OK well that certainly changes my opinion below if true.
September 10, 2015 at 12:07 pm
nibbish
This is good news. Kain is a person that we were thinking about targeting!
Unless, of course, they are positive that they silenced Kain and want a fake Kain claim, but that would be pretty hella ballsy.
September 10, 2015 at 12:09 pm
nettiebarron
Like I said, I can jump if you want me to. I just thought I should stay around to help, if I can.
September 10, 2015 at 12:09 pm
Inkarnit
So if you jump you can’t talk anymore?
September 10, 2015 at 12:20 pm
nettiebarron
Right. And my vote is frozen
September 10, 2015 at 12:10 pm
nibbish
I’d rather you didn’t just yet. Thanks for claiming.
September 10, 2015 at 12:07 pm
Inkarnit
Coupled with Spooky’s answer below that all but confirms you as Kain, I’d think. No need to jump just yet.
September 10, 2015 at 12:16 pm
todahshy
Cool, I thought you were hinting at something like this last night when you brought up if people should vlaim but I didn’t want to out you to the wolves if they didn’t think that.
September 10, 2015 at 12:05 pm
Inkarnit
Also at 10:25am this morning, Annette stated she was going to look over punman more once she got in to work. She has posted several times since then but seems to be glad the attention was diverted away from her having to hang her wolf buddy. Annette is a filthy wolf too, but like I said above, I’m good with punman first as I think he’s likely Rubicant.
September 10, 2015 at 12:05 pm
spookymilk
Good morning, village and such. I get questions:
*Calbrena cannot activate at night. If Cal activates, it will be public, and Brena has to agree and do so as well. If Brena disagrees with the play, he or she could leave Cal hanging and not activate. If they both activate, Kain is immediately killed; they do not have to know who Kain is.
*If Kain jumps, I will confirm, but a day jump means Kain’s vote is locked and he or she won’t return all day. If Kain jumps during the day, he or she is still allowed to do it that same night, if desired. Kain can role claim without jumping, but I will not confirm whether that person is telling the truth or not.
September 10, 2015 at 12:13 pm
joepunman
I take this to mean that the wolves can still win tomorrow morning by activating calbrena and killing kain in the morning. If they get us to hang a villager today
September 10, 2015 at 12:22 pm
nibbish
Oh, crap. You’re right.
Unfortunate.
September 10, 2015 at 12:09 pm
nibbish
This basically means that it’s not an end game scenario, so long as we don’t put anyone in jail.
September 10, 2015 at 12:10 pm
Inkarnit
Hmm. OK so I’m starting to think I may be wrong about you after all. But you were the one I was flip-flopping on between you and Roxanne. Could still be you AND Roxanne though, I suppose. This makes me absolutely certain about punman though. So punman, Roxanne, and ???
September 10, 2015 at 12:18 pm
nettiebarron
I’m a little shaky on your “absolutely certain” instincts there Wolfson.
September 10, 2015 at 12:24 pm
nibbish
Punman brings up that this is final day either way. I don’t think he does this as a wolf. At the very least, it wouldn’t put him as a top wolf on my list.
You’re starting to ping a little.
September 10, 2015 at 12:26 pm
Inkarnit
That’s fine. Let me ping. We can’t afford to be wrong though. Ignore everything I said and go look at punman start to finish and tell me what you think.
September 10, 2015 at 12:28 pm
nibbish
There we go. Not pinging anymore.
September 10, 2015 at 12:11 pm
Inkarnit
I’m gonna go parse rob’s game now that he’s moved up my suspect list with Annette’s claim.
September 10, 2015 at 12:17 pm
nibbish
Wolfy List (ordered this time):
Rob (fits with too many things, plus he’s been tripping my wolfdar today)
Abby (I don’t think what I was seeing on day one was nothing, and she’s too conveniently gone)
Roxanne (she’s either a wolf or Cecil. We might not get to easily figure out which one, but we’ve got better targets today, anyway)
Punman (roughly tied with DavidTucker in my mind, I’m giving DT the villagery edge, because I like the cut of his jib today)
DavidTucker
Todah (if only because, as was noted elsewhere, he’s about the only one other than me crazy enough to try to do the whole “kill no one” plan, though I think it’s looking more and more likely that it was a whiff, rather than a concerted effort)
Inkarnit
Nettie
Nibbish
September 10, 2015 at 12:24 pm
Inkarnit
rob day 1:
Immediately throws votes on Annette and tdiddy then changes later to sherrymac… all villagers.
Switches vote to abbyszoo at 3:45pm but only leaves it there 13 minutes before switching to KG, the neutral (but he would think villager).
Tries to throw shade on me by stating that I’m not acting wolfy and he remembers me being super wolfy… DP and Annette respond stating that I’m very clean when villager.
He does come back at 8:01pm and places a vote on Roxanne… but she had no votes on her at all. Great place to park a vote if you’re a wolf, especially if she’s another wolf. He doesn’t return.
rob day 2:
Comes out firing at tdiddy but later comments he’d be okay going after abby as well, but didn’t want to vote on her because she was the leading vote-getter at this point (if she’s a wolf too he wouldn’t want to do that for sure).
Wonders out loud if spooky would tell if someone was silenced… either a villager not understanding rules or a wolf trying to hide could say this.
Continues on tdiddy, asking him to elaborate on his thoughts and then at least debates moving his vote to Roxanne. He later does this, ending the day with the only vote on Roxanne. Again.
September 10, 2015 at 12:26 pm
nibbish
Can you provide links for this part?
Tries to throw shade on me by stating that I’m not acting wolfy and he remembers me being super wolfy… DP and Annette respond stating that I’m very clean when villager.
September 10, 2015 at 12:29 pm
Inkarnit
September 10, 2015 at 12:33 pm
Inkarnit
With this info, I suppose my list of top 5 would be punman, rob, Roxanne, abby, with nibbish in the rear. Obviously two of those are wrong.
September 10, 2015 at 12:33 pm
nibbish
Why do you say that Roxanne had no votes on her? Rob’s vote was actually the third vote.
September 10, 2015 at 12:34 pm
Inkarnit
Huh? Let me look again.
September 10, 2015 at 12:35 pm
Inkarnit
Oh, I see. I looked at the end results and he was the only one still on her.
September 10, 2015 at 12:37 pm
nibbish
Yeah, it could still be a wolfy pile-on, which would actually be better wolf play, but it was not a lonely vote.
September 10, 2015 at 12:32 pm
davidtucker659
There is so much here to catch up on…but some big bombshells at last drop to help us out!
September 10, 2015 at 12:34 pm
Inkarnit
Yeah we really need Abby or Roxanne to say something. That tells us which was NOT silenced. Which can tell us which one Cecil is. If neither says anything all day, then one is a wolf.
September 10, 2015 at 12:34 pm
joepunman
I looked at dps last comment on day 1. The first trio he suspects is kg, nibs, and dt. Kg is cleared, leaving nibs and dt, but dp didn’t think nobbish would be so absent if wolf.
The second trio was me, todahshy and tdiddy. Tdiddy was cleared. So naturally I have to suspect todahshy again.
My top suspects:
David Tucker
Roxanne/Abby
Todahshy
Rob?
Least likely:
Nibs
Karn
Nette
Rox/Abby
September 10, 2015 at 12:39 pm
nibbish
I think there’s merit to Pirate’s musings in this post.
September 10, 2015 at 12:44 pm
todahshy
I think it’s a very good post. I’ll just say for me Tuesday I worked from 5:45am-10pm and my afternoon/evening jobs don’t give me much of a chance to check the internet. So all I could do was literally catch up, pop in, and vote. I feel like other than that day from hell I’ve been actively trying to hunt as best as I can deapite my crazy schedule this week.
September 10, 2015 at 12:47 pm
davidtucker659
I myself flew to Tallahassee on Tuesday morning and was stuck in a small room all day with my client (unexpectedly so) until I left. I managed to get some posts in regardless until I got on a plane again to fly home. Will’s post was interesting but we didn’t really have much info on anyone that day so it was hard to make any real guesses.
September 10, 2015 at 12:58 pm
nibbish
What do you think of Rob, Punman?
September 10, 2015 at 1:24 pm
Inkarnit
*crickets*
September 10, 2015 at 12:59 pm
Inkarnit
Let’s remember the Roxanne/Abby no-show thing later today. We know one is silenced and that one is likely to be Cecil. If neither speaks at all we have to assume they got Cecil and are deliberately confusing us by not having the other one speak either. Tomorrow we will be able to know which is which quite easily. So we just need to get one of the other wolves today. I think we are wasting votes on either of them today as it’s pretty much a crap shoot. I think Roxanne is more likely the wolf between them but tomorrow we won’t have to think.
September 10, 2015 at 1:01 pm
davidtucker659
My only thought on this is Abby would have been in school most of the day. Its possible that she got silenced once the wolves figured out who Cecil was (or a close guess) and then had Roxanne maintain silence. I agree that we don’t want to jump then gun on them though.
September 10, 2015 at 1:02 pm
Inkarnit
Right. If Abby is not silenced, she’ll be around once school is out.
September 10, 2015 at 1:15 pm
nibbish
I don’t entirely know which is which, but I think you’re right. Finding the one out of the other two wolves (barring Abby or Roxanne speaking today) seems a much better idea.
If we do happen to lynch either Cal or Brena, the Calbrena threat is removed, and we could theoretically lynch both of them, if need be.
September 10, 2015 at 1:19 pm
Inkarnit
Roxanne is the one that played a successful wolf game in her first attempt.
September 10, 2015 at 1:20 pm
nibbish
For how quiet Abby is, it would be entirely possible to fly under the radar. I’m almost positive there’s a wolf between the two of them, but I think you’re right, we need to address other issues first.
September 10, 2015 at 1:17 pm
Inkarnit
TOO EARLY VOTING UPDATE
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abbyszoo
davidtucker659
Inkarnit voting joepunman
joepunman (1)
nettiebarron voting rockitlikeroxanne
nebbish voting rob
rob (1)
rockitlikeroxanne (1)
todahshy
September 10, 2015 at 1:20 pm
Inkarnit
Hey it’s even possible we have all 3 wolves pegged right now!
September 10, 2015 at 1:17 pm
rob
Hi All. Great to see that we have 1 solid villager in Nettie! I’m back from lunch and ready to read through the rest of the posts. I’ll be gone again today at 2:30, but should be able to at least pop back in before 9:00. I’ll try to get some thoughts together before then.
September 10, 2015 at 1:21 pm
nibbish
This is an extremely wolfy post.
September 10, 2015 at 1:24 pm
Inkarnit
I agree. Mainly because it didn’t address any of… anything.
September 10, 2015 at 1:30 pm
davidtucker659
Hah, as I was posting my thoughts…he posted that. Totally agree. Rob is posting a bit today and saying nothing.
September 10, 2015 at 1:29 pm
davidtucker659
abbyszoo – wolf/cain?
davidtucker659 – I mean…I’m obviously going to call myself a villager!
Inkarnit – feeling villager
joepunman – #2 on my list at the moment
nettiebarron – villager
nibbish – feeling villager
rob – pinging high on my list right now. Still hasn’t really added much. Wasn’t around last night. Came in an hour after the day started.
rockitlikeroxanne – wolf/cain?
todahshy – feeling villager
September 10, 2015 at 1:29 pm
rockitlikeroxanne
I’m here now and I’ve only read half the day but I’ll just go ahead and tell you all I am definitely not a wolf.
I AM CECIL
September 10, 2015 at 1:30 pm
Inkarnit
Well then. After spooky confirms this should help things. So Abby must be silenced?
September 10, 2015 at 1:31 pm
davidtucker659
Oh, wait…would a wolf silence a wolf?
September 10, 2015 at 1:32 pm
Inkarnit
Absolutely. Abby could still be a wolf if silenced. It wouldn’t exonerate her. But I think she’s likely clean because the wolves had to have been trying to find Cecil.
September 10, 2015 at 1:34 pm
davidtucker659
And then they missed. I’m still feeling rob & punman right now. Not sure which one more.
September 10, 2015 at 1:50 pm
rob
If we hear from abby, it’s even more important for people to let us know when they are taking off and when they expect to be back.
If Rubicant hasn’t used the power yet, anyone can still be silenced, which could be effective based on how the conversation is going at the time.
September 10, 2015 at 1:36 pm
rob
Either that, or one of the people who hasn’t spoke up for a while is. Roll call?
September 10, 2015 at 1:38 pm
Inkarnit
Annette and todahshy are the ones who haven’t spoken recently.
September 10, 2015 at 1:42 pm
rob
Since Nettie already claimed, I don’t much value in silencing her.You around todahshy?
September 10, 2015 at 1:44 pm
todahshy
Yo. Here. Not sbl5e to post much for another 1-2 hours.
September 10, 2015 at 1:30 pm
davidtucker659
BOOM. I was hoping that maybe this would happen…this is putting Abby suddenly way up on my list.
September 10, 2015 at 1:34 pm
spookymilk
It’s true; Roxanne is the legendary Paladin Cecil.
September 10, 2015 at 1:37 pm
Inkarnit
Man. She’s really come a long way since the red light.
September 10, 2015 at 1:53 pm
nettiebarron
Sorry, surprise meeting.
September 10, 2015 at 1:54 pm
davidtucker659
Rob made a good point…if people have planned absences this evening, we should say it here so we don’t confuse it with silence. I’ll be gone for an hour or so after 5pm EST to go for a run.
September 10, 2015 at 2:01 pm
Inkarnit
I’m always scarce between 7pm and nightfall. I get off work at 7pm and then go home, get kids, eat dinner etc.
September 10, 2015 at 1:59 pm
rockitlikeroxanne
Ok so here is my top three after reading today.
Abby- I was sure day one that it was either her or Sherry. Obviously it wasn’t Sherry.
Joe- haven’t found him very helpful on hunting. (Not that I have been very helpful this time either but I am Cecil so I have that going for me)
Rob- I feel like he is wolfy, maybe because this is the first time I’ve never played with him
September 10, 2015 at 2:29 pm
Inkarnit
This is quite possibly all 3 wolves. Your reasoning on Rob needs some work though. Abby as well.
September 10, 2015 at 2:42 pm
rockitlikeroxanne
It really does, but I had very little time I will be more available later in the day and I will have better reasoning laid out.
September 10, 2015 at 2:44 pm
Inkarnit
Well at least you have the “I’m Cecil so eff you” think going for you. Your analysis doesn’t have to be good. Good analysis would, of course, be more helpful. But you know that.
September 10, 2015 at 2:19 pm
rob
Day 1:
The early morning is pretty much the usual – people much throwing votes around and such.
punman has first post reviewing the rules and the ways they can be useful to the village. I question whether they are 1 time use or unlimited, and spooky confirms they are unlimited.
Inkarnit actually brings up the assumption that he will be silenced with his vote for punman.
xxtdiddyxx shows up and spouts some nonsense with joepunman and inkarnit.
Sherry votes abby, abby gets defensive, inkarnit points out that day 1 votes don’t mean much Roxanne and inkarnit banter a bit.
I vote abby since she hasn’t been around and I don’t really know her game, then take it off to give kg a hard time before heading out from work (along with DPWY).
abby says she’s been busy, inkarnit, abby and joepunman banter a bit, and then sherrymac gets personal. Since this is pretty odd for a friendly game, people get suspicious.
Inkarnit says that this behavior is suspect since it’s how she was pegged as a wolf in a recent game.
DPWY makes his first passionate plea to start talking. Joe puts his vote on him for that post.
Nettie moves to roxanne as another person who hasn’t talked too much. DPWY asks why – nettie says just to get people talking. DP also votes for roxanne. I have to take off and I want some pressure on someone before I leave, so I also vote roxanne.
Abby moves to sherry as well, and roxanne follows shortly after that.
Nibbish shows up once and then leaves for the night.
roxanne moves to tdiddy since he made an argument for DPWY then voted Nettie.
Joe unvotes DP, suspects inkarnit because he’s been quiet (even though he was one of the more vocal people). DP and Incarnit talk about sherry as a candidate.
todahshy shows up and votes for joe.
Joe votes for sherry cause she’s getting defensive, but says that if sherry is clean, he’s going for abby the next day.
DPWY complains that it’s still quiet.
Nettie votes sherry
DPWY votes sherry and says that the quietness only really serves the wolves, and night falls.
Key Takeaways: lots of time was spent with the abby/sherry spat. Abby didn’t start it, but made a few curious comments. Joe moves around a bit and implies that abby is someone to put pressure on in day 2. I actually think that while inkarnit didn’t play in his crazy style, he’s pretty clean and likely a villager. I was very suspicious with tdiddy following this day since he didn’t really help, though of course he was also a villager. todah, nibbish, and david were all pretty quiet. From day 1, I like joe and/or abby as the most likely wolves.
September 10, 2015 at 2:20 pm
rob
Day 2 will be shorter, I promise…
September 10, 2015 at 2:27 pm
Inkarnit
Pretty decent post here by Rob. I think it’s all pretty accurate. Could even be that Joe and Abby are, in fact, wolves. But this doesn’t exonerate Rob as the helpful hiding third wolf. I’m OK delaying on Rob for now, however.
September 10, 2015 at 2:32 pm
davidtucker659
Well, nothing here makes me less likely to vote for punman anyway. Interested to see the day 2 analysis.
September 10, 2015 at 2:38 pm
Inkarnit
And he hasn’t come back on to refute anything… and there’s been a lot of heat thrown his way. Perhaps he doesn’t feel the votes because only I am voting for him.
September 10, 2015 at 2:32 pm
rob
Day 2:
today asks is anyone was silenced day 1, and joe suggests that nibbish wsa, despite his only post being at 8:30.
todah asks if it makes sense to role claim. Joe says Kain makes no sense and Cecil may as well wait. I agree.
David says he wasn’t silenced, just busy and doesn’t like abby and votes so. Todah adds a vote to start putting some pressure on.
Incarnit likes Annette.
Joe says we don’t want to get abby too close to jail in case she has a role but is just away.
david votes nibbish since he was so quiet.
I vote tdiddy since he was erratic and unhelpful in the previous day and ask people to post their schedules to make it easier to detect odd behavior.
todah, david and nettie post their schedules. Nettie votes for inkarnit but then suggests that he’s been silenced.
nibbish digs into DPWY’s post and moves the abby train further. todah has a bit of a weird post where he ignores the “real life” stuff but still sees her as a threat.
Nibbish posts a list.
tdiddy continues being a bit wolfy.
david moves to todahshy without much conversation.
** I’ve run out of time to analyze and I have a hard stop to meet with a contractor about a house project. I’ll try to catch up around 7:00, after the kids go to bed. sorry for the incomplete analysis.***
September 10, 2015 at 2:35 pm
davidtucker659
Um, you kinda missed my enormous post explaining why I was unvoting abby yesterday and voting Todahshy!
September 10, 2015 at 2:38 pm
nibbish
Now that Roxanne has claimed Cecil, I believe that Abby is likely either Cal or Brena.
September 10, 2015 at 2:39 pm
nettiebarron
I agree.
September 10, 2015 at 2:42 pm
Inkarnit
I agree with this tentatively. I’m still not sure if it makes sense to pay much attention to her today or not. She’s the only one we haven’t heard from which would indicate she was silenced. I think a wolf team that fucked up the night kill might want to silence one of their own to try to buy some time, so it certainly fits. I think punman is Rubicant and if that’s correct then killing him almost eliminates Calbrena from happening because they’d have to basically give up the game to do it.
September 10, 2015 at 2:43 pm
nibbish
I agree that it makes sense to put pressure on other folks today and find a wolf there.
September 10, 2015 at 2:43 pm
davidtucker659
Well the day is starting to get on and the person I really feel most certain about at this point is punman…the whys and hows have been addressed quite a bit so I’m going to go aheand and vote punman and see where we go from here.
September 10, 2015 at 2:50 pm
nibbish
Punman, what do you think of Rob and/or Todahshy?
September 10, 2015 at 3:52 pm
joepunman
See Todahshy below. I’m having a hard time reading Rob. I feel like he’s helping hunt enough to reduce suspicion, but he hasn’t felt totally clean. He’s pretty much in the middle for me.
September 10, 2015 at 2:55 pm
joepunman
Oof, its getting hot in here.
I’m going to be scarce tonight. Been busier than expected today.
I don’t think I’ve been unhelpful. I’d like to refute the heat I’m getting but I don’t think I’m going to have a lot of time.
One more though. Was it todahshy up above who said he didn’t get home til 10? Could he have missed a wolf kill?
September 10, 2015 at 3:01 pm
Inkarnit
He did… but that was Tuesday. Not yesterday. And todahshy, for some reason, hasn’t been pinging my wolfdar at all. Which is extremely unusual. WTF? I need to go back and find some wolf in him. But yeah… this is… not enough joe.
September 10, 2015 at 3:02 pm
todahshy
I said I didn’t get home till 10 on Tuesday. Thanks for leaving out pertinent info to dirty me up.
September 10, 2015 at 3:22 pm
Inkarnit
That’s how wolves roll, eh? You should just vote punman.
September 10, 2015 at 3:46 pm
joepunman
Cripes. This is what happens when we play on a holiday week.
September 10, 2015 at 3:49 pm
joepunman
But, if it was Tuesday (Day 1) that was a day from hell, it sure would be hard to silence someone that day.
September 10, 2015 at 4:01 pm
todahshy
Except I was perfectly available in the morning and into the early afternoon when you would most likely use a silence on someone. It was in the afternoon/evening that I was mostly unavailable but I was still able to read up and make comments during that time. Just not able to do full on hunting with people.
September 10, 2015 at 3:04 pm
nibbish
How about Rob?
September 10, 2015 at 3:14 pm
Inkarnit
So todah day 1 voted for you… but he was the only one. He was absent most of the day which fits with his day from hell until 10pm thing. He was the one that brought up the idea, simply as a question, about whether a role claim made sense. But on day 2 he was still on joe as acting odd. Also on Abby. He talks himself out of the role claim before anyone really gives their opinion. He went after Abby day 2 initially with a vote. He agrees with nibbish’s vote on Abby but thinks the sherry/Abby stuff is irrelevant and instead focused on Abby’s selection of a couple people being absent when a ton were. He did seem quick to agree to my “points” against Annette which we now know to be wrong. But he was basing it on how he saw Annette play before. He then proceeds to turn Inkarnit to a brand name. I’m like Kleenex bitches! He points out that silencing me was a good way to leave my vote on Annette. And knowing what we now know, with her being Kain, that would tend to fit with a newer wolf. A really good wolf would have silenced someone while they had a vote on another wolf, which is what I thought was happening. After a long absence, he returns and changes a vote from Abby to tdiddy, jumping on the train. Once he realizes there is a train, he removes that vote. He eventually comes back with 24 minutes left and places that tdiddy vote anyway.
September 10, 2015 at 3:07 pm
nettiebarron
Todahshy is a wolf. Discuss. (just channeling my inner KG)
September 10, 2015 at 3:10 pm
nibbish
I do like this discussion. Let’s discuss.
I’ve had him on the bubble most of the game. If there’s another person that would purposefully send in nothing, it’s him. He hasn’t exactly been hugely helpful as a hunter.
What do you think, Todah? I’m learning how to spell your username, is that a sign that you’re going to break my heart?
September 10, 2015 at 3:16 pm
todahshy
I’m pickinh up food right now. Give me a half hour. I’ve had substantial thoughts I’ve been wanting to make all afternoon but haven’t been able to due to my schedule so far.
September 10, 2015 at 3:21 pm
nibbish
I’m particularly interested to hear your thoughts on Punman, Rob, and Abby.
September 10, 2015 at 4:08 pm
todahshy
Just posted them.
September 10, 2015 at 4:09 pm
nibbish
I see that! Good stuff.
September 10, 2015 at 3:44 pm
Inkarnit
What kind of food? Villager? Dragon Knight?
September 10, 2015 at 3:59 pm
todahshy
Chipotle!
September 10, 2015 at 6:49 pm
The Dread Pirate
*** dead ***
Todahshy is adobery. Discuss.
*** redeaded ***
September 10, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Inkarnit
See post above for my todah discussion. I guess he’s not entirely off the radar.
September 10, 2015 at 3:24 pm
nibbish
No, he’s not.
September 10, 2015 at 3:51 pm
joepunman
VOTE TODAHSHY Okay, so I got his day of hell wrong with regard to missing a night kill, but it does line up with missing silencing a player on Day 1
I’m also starting to wonder about Inkarnit. Yes, he’s been targeting me, so my revenge vote might look fishy, but there was the bit above about him feigning ignorance, which was a big part of his wolf game his first time around. I’m not ready to place a vote, and there’s still the silencing to contend with, but it’s not outside the realm of possibility that he could’ve asked to be silenced to try to clear his name.
September 10, 2015 at 3:57 pm
Inkarnit
Heh. Sounds good!
Except that my ignorance the first time was real, not feigned. But I did milk it for sure.
Also, I asked to be silenced. I guess that would be a brilliant maneuver if I was a wolf but… hah!
Good try though. If it makes you feel any better, you’re probably still going to win even if we kill you today.
September 10, 2015 at 4:01 pm
nibbish
Being silenced happens all the time with wolves. Like I said earlier, I thought it made him seem MORE wolfy, but his other actions throughout the day have me convinced that he’s a villager.
September 10, 2015 at 4:26 pm
nettiebarron
Convinced? That is pretty strong.
September 10, 2015 at 4:29 pm
Inkarnit
nibbish is either the best wolf ever or a really smart villager. But he’s right.
September 10, 2015 at 4:36 pm
nibbish
Well, I mean, I wouldn’t stake my actual flesh-and-bone life on it, but I would put him at only slightly higher possible wolfiness than, say, Roxanne.
September 10, 2015 at 3:57 pm
nibbish
Unvote Rob, Vote Punman
Thank you for your response.
This is the requisite warning that I’m not going to be around much during the rest of the evening (and what little I’ll be able to do will be on my phone, so… not helpful). I won’t be posting much after 4:30 unless I look on the phone and something really, really strikes me. Don’t count on it.
In the meantime, can someone with more time look for all the interactions of Punman, Rob, and Todah?
September 10, 2015 at 3:58 pm
Inkarnit
I’ll get on it.
September 10, 2015 at 3:58 pm
todahshy
Ok, I’ll present my thoughts in list form (most wolfy to least):
joepunman – I’ve been keeping an eye on him since Day 1. His vote on Will towards the end of the day seemed like someone trying to look like they were hunting but knew their false lead would go nowhere. Then he gets a little heat and immediately retracts. What’s the point of that unless your whole goal is to try to stay under the radar of everyone?
Then yesterday he laid a huge revenge vote on me just because I mentioned he was one of my suspects again. Very much caught my eye.
Then we have today: https://spookymilk.wordpress.com/2015/09/10/werewolf-ffiv-day-three/#comment-66878
Like seriously, my comment wasn’t that old at the time he said this. He could easily have gone back to Day 2 and seen that I was clearly around yesterday for the last two hours. Seems to me like a wolf trying to draw people off the sent.
Rob – He has risen up my suspect list today. 1) we know he wasn’t around last night so with the whole no night kill thing that’s a big red flag. But even without that just read through his comments, there is not much there.
This in particular: https://spookymilk.wordpress.com/2015/09/10/werewolf-ffiv-day-three/#comment-66748 looks like someone who knew they would be under fire for not submitting a night kill putting out a crazy theory to deflect blame.
Speaking of people knowing about the non-night kill:
My third suspect – David – seemed very prepared to talk about a non kill this morning. https://spookymilk.wordpress.com/2015/09/10/werewolf-ffiv-day-three/#comment-66718
That in particular seemed like lame excuse making to me.
Abby – I liked Will’s observations on her on Day 1. Like I said yesterday I discount her interactions with Sherry because of what happened the last game. I just can’t tell what’s real and what’s fake.
What makes her and David high on my list is the fact that there is at least one if not two new wolves in this crowd. There has to be. My read is that the silencer is most likely a new player (thus no silence on Day 1), then of course this whole non night kill thing. It has to mean there are new or really unavailable wolves in the mix here this time.
There is no way you do something this dumb when you are 1 village mistake away from victory, especially with the track record of the village here at CdL. That was basically a guaranteed win right there.
Next, I’ll go with Inkarnit – seems to me to be more villager Inkarnit than wolf Inkarnit. But the whole missing day of info makes it tough to know for sure. He does seem very confident in all of his assertions though which is why I put him more on the wolfish scale than Pete.
nibbish – seems very clean to me. Hunting aggressively, really not taking anyone of the table of his suspects. All of these things sound like a villager to me. Of course, Pete is capable of playing us all so who knows.
Annette/Roxanne – obviously villagers unless Annette suddenly became a supergenius and Abby is the real Kain but Annette silenced her so she could not claim her whole. But the level of luck and skill involved in that makes me think it is highly unlikely 😛
September 10, 2015 at 4:11 pm
davidtucker659
Before I go, I do want to respond to this since you’ve put me in the top 3. I’m in no way a new player. New to this site, yes, but definitely not new. I have 3 editions of D&D on my shelf, every version of the Star Wars RPG ever printed, tons of White Wolf stuff and at least half a dozen other RPGs, a closet full of Euro boardgames, Battletech, Hordes, & Star Wars minis. I haven’t missed GenCon in 10 years…if there’s someone who knows games, its me. I wouldn’t skip a night kill in werewolf.
And of course I was prepared to talk about it…I couldn’t believe it when it popped up. I never even thought it was possible that the wolves in a game of werewolf would ever not kill someone. If you’ve ever seen it happen, let me know, because in all the years I’ve played this game, I’ve never seen such a fail!
September 10, 2015 at 4:33 pm
nettiebarron
Suddenly became a super genius! I’ve ALWAYS been a super genius. Humph.
September 10, 2015 at 4:04 pm
Inkarnit
Punman, Rob, Todahshy interaction day 1:
Punman posts about the different roles and what they might do, comments about me being silenced or else I’m Rubicant, states that he is still thinking about Calbrena and that he likes the Tricker. Rob replies directly that he thought the roles were one time use and then todahshy responds to rob that he read them as unlimited use.
todahshy votes punman at 8:31pm instead of tdiddy, making him the only punman voter. His reasoning is for punman’s weird vote on Will saying that it “seems like a vote a wolf makes knowing it won’t gain traction so they can stay out of the day 1 mess” which, ironically, is exactly what todahshy is doing here if a wolf.
No other interaction between those 3 all day.
September 10, 2015 at 4:23 pm
Inkarnit
Punman, Rob, Todahshy interaction day 2:
Todahshy comments on KG finding the loophole to win and then points out punman as standing out to him. He then asks if anyone got silenced. Punman replies saying he thinks nibbish might have.
Punman points out the voters for sherry and again states nibbish was probably silenced. Rob responds that nibbish only commented at 8:28pm so wasn’t likely silenced. Punman then asks if anyone was silenced.
Todahshy questions whether a role claim makes sense and double thinks himself and decides it doesn’t before punman responds that he also doesn’t think it makes sense as Kain can just jump to save himself. Rob replies to punman here saying he thinks we should wait on a role claim too.
rob votes tdiddy and asks who is around and posts his schedule asking for others to do the same. Todahshy responds that he’s not going to be around much after 2pm.
Todahshy posts a list with punman high on it and rob in the middle.
rob posts after his meeting that he would be okay with an abby vote but doesn’t place it because she’s the vote leader. He states he wants to hear more from tdiddy. He also says that todahshy’s comment about abby was odd but that he’s been helpful. Todahshy responds saying he thought the sherry/abby dynamic was uncomfortable and rob responds that he didn’t follow last game to know about that.
Punman removes his vote from me because I’m silenced and votes todahshy, stating that todahshy had targeted him twice and he didn’t know why he was appearing so wolfy to him. He later removes that vote and switches to tdiddy but says he’s not off the todahshy wagon but just doesn’t want to pile on him while he’s away.
Todahshy comes back, catches up, and votes for tdiddy stating his reasoning for thinking it was TDO (which I thought as well). Punman says it’s not TDO but doesn’t say who he is.
Todahshy removes his tdiddy vote, citing fear of majority. Punman responds that it was only vote 4 and still needed 2 more for majority. Todahshy thought majority was at 5 rather than 6 so puts it back on not too much later.
Night falls and tdiddy the villager is killed.
September 10, 2015 at 4:25 pm
todahshy
This totally reminded of the oddest punman moment of the whole game! That weird “I know who xxtdiddyxx is and you guys don’t”. Was that a major slip up there? At the time it seemed like ti to me but I had such tunnel vision on tdiddy that I quickly forgot about it.
September 10, 2015 at 4:32 pm
todahshy
I should say I thought it was a major slip up at the time. Because I got this whole vision in my mind of them working together as wolves and he knew tdiddy’s true identity. But obviously he found out about it in some other yet to be explained way.
September 10, 2015 at 4:34 pm
nettiebarron
I asked him about it and he never replied.
September 10, 2015 at 4:45 pm
Inkarnit
Yeah I’m not too sure on the relevance of this now either. I thought it was weird yesterday as well but with tdiddy being a villager, what does that really say? As a villager, tdiddy didn’t have any communications with other people. This means punman either figured it out or knew already somehow. Seems unconnected to who’s a wolf or not, no?
September 10, 2015 at 4:46 pm
todahshy
I agree, I realized my first comment wasn’t clear on the irrelevance of it now so I tried to clarify. But I remember thinking at the time “GOT HIM!”
September 10, 2015 at 5:00 pm
nettiebarron
Why “obviously”?
September 10, 2015 at 5:02 pm
todahshy
Because tdiddy ended up not being a wolf. My assumption at the time had been he knew tdiddy’s identity from being wolves together. But since tdiddy was clean punman just knows who he is from some other way.
September 10, 2015 at 5:06 pm
Inkarnit
Man, she’s really testing that super genius thing huh todah?
September 10, 2015 at 5:06 pm
nettiebarron
Okay, maybe not super genius today.
September 10, 2015 at 8:34 pm
joepunman
I know who tdiddy is because I invited him to play
September 10, 2015 at 4:38 pm
nibbish
Link?
September 10, 2015 at 4:40 pm
todahshy
September 10, 2015 at 4:05 pm
davidtucker659
I’m about to go for a run. I’ll be back in a couple hours.
September 10, 2015 at 4:55 pm
Inkarnit
That’s a long ass run. What is wrong with you? Running is for survival, not fun!
September 10, 2015 at 4:28 pm
Inkarnit
SO MUCH MORE PERTINENT VOTING UPDATE THAN BEFORE
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abbyszoo
davidtucker659
Inkarnit voting joepunman
joepunman (2) voting todahshy
nettiebarron voting rockitlikeroxanne
nibbish voting joepunman
rob
rockitlikeroxanne (1)
todahshy (1)
4 hours and 31 minutes until night. 5 is majority.
September 10, 2015 at 4:43 pm
nibbish
Just a friendly reminder. I feel like we’ve got a good shot at a wolf in Punman (he’s on top of my list at the moment), and there’s a good chance that Abby is silenced, but….
…there’s a chance she isn’t. Five is majority, and if we vote out a villager here, we lose. Don’t let the wolves jump a vote.
September 10, 2015 at 5:06 pm
Inkarnit
This is true but… we have a total of 3 votes out right now. I think a little more activity would be good, no?
September 10, 2015 at 4:43 pm
nettiebarron
Unvote Roxanne obviously, sheesh.
September 10, 2015 at 4:45 pm
Inkarnit
Probably smart.
September 10, 2015 at 4:53 pm
todahshy
Are you sure about that whole super genius thing? 🙂
September 10, 2015 at 4:54 pm
Inkarnit
SICK BURN!
September 10, 2015 at 4:59 pm
nettiebarron
YOU ARE ON THIN ICE BUSTER.
September 10, 2015 at 5:09 pm
Inkarnit
At this point, do you guys think it makes sense to ask Annette to cast her vote and jump to prove her identity? Just in case Abby is a silenced Kain? I don’t find this extremely likely, but it’s still a possibility. And since she’s clearly NOT a super genius today, she’s unlikely to be any more help this evening.
September 10, 2015 at 5:14 pm
nettiebarron
I’d like to argue this, but I am super busy at work and haven’t really got time to go back read everything again. But still . . . eff you, Inkarnit.
September 10, 2015 at 6:51 pm
Inkarnit
Love you Kain!
September 10, 2015 at 5:16 pm
nettiebarron
I’d also like to point out that you were 95% sure I was a wolf. So, bite me.
September 10, 2015 at 6:51 pm
Inkarnit
Hey, I never said *I* was a super genius. I do, in fact, make mistakes. Just don’t tell my wife.
September 10, 2015 at 5:19 pm
todahshy
I just reread Kelly’s explanation of the role and it sounds like once she is 100% sure she knows who she wants to vote for there doesn’t seem to be any drawbacks to jumping. Since the one downside is locking her vote into place.
So, I don’t think we need to rush it but if she knows she won’t be around for the rest of the night at some point it might make sense to do that just so we know for sure the rest of the way.
September 10, 2015 at 5:20 pm
todahshy
K, I am going to be gone for the next 2-3 hours but will definitely be back at lest 30 minutes before the deadline to check in. I’m still thinking punman is the way to go tonight.
September 10, 2015 at 6:08 pm
rob
I’m back a bit earlier than I expected as I’m watching my kids play outside. I’m on my phone so I won’t
September 10, 2015 at 6:24 pm
rob
Blasted small keyboard… So I won’t be able to so the same breakdown of posts that I was doing before. This post by tdiddy is interesting since it was actually pretty helpful and direct. I took my vote off of him because of it: https://spookymilk.wordpress.com/2015/09/09/werewolf-ffiv-day-two/#comment-66611
September 10, 2015 at 6:29 pm
rob
Shortly after that, Joe posted from todahshy to tdiddy because he want making helpful or coherent posts. I might be missing it, but I don’t see when Joe dropped his focus on Abby. I’m not still think that Abby is prey high up on my list, so this shift seems odd. Here’s Joe’s vote for tdiddy: https://spookymilk.wordpress.com/2015/09/09/werewolf-ffiv-day-two/#comment-66628
September 10, 2015 at 6:32 pm
rob
Blasted auto correct. What I meant to say is that Abby is pretty high on my wild list
September 10, 2015 at 6:32 pm
rob
Sigh. Wolf*
September 10, 2015 at 6:19 pm
davidtucker659
I see I missed some great insults 😉
September 10, 2015 at 6:53 pm
Inkarnit
Your mom
September 10, 2015 at 6:31 pm
rob
I have to head out again and I’m not sure of I’ll be back again, though I’ll try. Just to be safe, I’ll vote joepunman
September 10, 2015 at 6:49 pm
Inkarnit
Looks like I didn’t miss much while in that appointment but I’m about to get off work and won’t have much ability to check in for the rest of the day. I’m completely comfortable with my vote right now so I’m not concerned. I’ll try to check back just in case something weird happens though. I think at this point it’s safe to say Abby was silenced but she’s probably still a wolf.
September 10, 2015 at 6:53 pm
Inkarnit
OH! Let’s discuss your role Annette. As Kain you can jump tonight to save yourself. But if they don’t eat you, we lose two villagers. This would be bad. I say don’t risk it and let them eat you.
September 10, 2015 at 7:01 pm
nettiebarron
Isn’t it more likely that they will eat Cecil? Why would they risk my jumping?
September 10, 2015 at 7:06 pm
Inkarnit
Yes absolutely. But they may try to be crafty. If you jump and they eat Cecil we lose you both. So my point was don’t jump. If they want to eat you I’d let them.
September 10, 2015 at 7:04 pm
nettiebarron
Vote Punman I hope we’re right because I’m going to jump now. I’ll be mostly unavailable for the rest of the night anyway.
September 10, 2015 at 7:45 pm
Inkarnit
revote punman just in case
September 10, 2015 at 7:09 pm
spookymilk
Annette has jumped.
September 10, 2015 at 7:30 pm
todahshy
Well I’m back. I see I missed a lot… at least one of our confirmed villagers chimed in. I’ve been waiting for that since they are the only people I trust. I’m goid with Joe. I’ve been suspicious since day 1. Here we go…
vote punman
September 10, 2015 at 7:34 pm
davidtucker659
vote punman
Doesn’t kain jumping wipe away votes? Need to make sure we’re still voting punman out
September 10, 2015 at 7:39 pm
todahshy
I think it only wipes away votes on Kain. So seems like we have majority right?
September 10, 2015 at 7:43 pm
todahshy
Hmmm I just reread the role. You may be right. People should revote to be safe lol.
September 10, 2015 at 7:48 pm
Inkarnit
Argh this website is all jacked on my phone.
revote punman just in case
September 10, 2015 at 8:05 pm
rockitlikeroxanne
vote punman
Hope we’re right villagers!
September 10, 2015 at 8:37 pm
joepunman
Am I in jail?
September 10, 2015 at 9:07 pm
joepunman
Well chalk up another win for the wolves
September 10, 2015 at 9:18 pm
spookymilk
Long story short (I hate my schedule right now)…punman (Yang, a villager) was killed. People who need to do things, do things.