HALL OF CHAMPIONS
SPOOKYMILK SURVIVOR
I: Rachel “The Double-Dealer” Flynn
II: Ryan “The Snake” Fossum
III: Patrick “The Gentleman” Kozicky
IV: Brienne “The Submitter” Maner
V: Rusty “The Porn Star” Greene
VI: Brooks “The Unlikely Hero” Maki
VII: William “The Soulful” Schuth
VIII: Brooks “The Survivor” Maki
IX: Zack “The Ice Cream Man” Sauvageau
X: Pete “The Vacuum Cleaner” Bruzek
Turbo: Brooks “The 1956-1979 Montreal Canadiens” Maki
XI: Matt “The Cold-Hearted Motherf*&^er” Novak
All-Stars (XII): Andy “The Quiet Man” Rustleund
XIII: Sarah “Clarence’s Hope” Bizek
XIV: Dan “The Professional” Kautz
XV: Christina “Assault And” Pepper
XVI: Matt “The First-Time Player” Novak
XVII: Stacy “Saintly Patience” Snell
XVIII: Brian “Checkmate” David
XIX: Annette “Eammon for the Top” Barron
XX: Daniel “Neville “Smash “Hardware” Hardwood” Longbottom” Caouette
XXI: Pete “The Comeback Kid” Bruzek
XXII: Dan “The Even More Professional” Kautz
XXIII: Melissa “Don’t You (Forget About Me)” David
XXIV: Stacy “Fucking” Snell
GODS AND MORTALS
I: Dragging Rivet’s Name Through the Mud One Last Time: Matt Novak (Ultragrandpa) and Michael Rivet (Friph Flipher-Fiph)
II: Bahambo Number 5: Pete “Triple Crown” Bruzek and Michelle “Single Tiara…So Far” Pratt
BIG BROTHER
I: Brooks “Oh, for the Love of God” Maki
II: Michael “#DDB” Rivet
III: Pete “Fortune’s Fool” Bruzek
IV: Erin “All Seven and We’ll Watch Them Fall” Leslie
V: Jake “Littlefinger” Elliott
FALL, CAESAR
2014: Brooks “The Creator” Maki
2015: Matt “The Artist” Novak
2016: Matt “Waited Them Out” Novak
2017: Annette “I Would’ve Voted for You” Barron
THE ROYAL RUMBLE
2013: #21 Greg “The Gallant Glutton of Greatness” Johnson
2014: #29 Jonathon “Big Papa” Pope
2015: #8 Christina “Am I in This?” Pepper
2016: #22 Annette “No Backs Stabbed” Barron
2017: #30 Bernice “The Vulture” Nicaise
2018: #17 Carrie “Solid Gold” Bard
2019: #16 Jake “The Jabroni” Elliott
PLAY WITH THE PROSE
(Writing, non-elimination)
I: Sarah “Centipede Face” Johnson
II: Sarah “The Johnson Eliminator” Wreisner
III: Colin “Lonely Old Moon” Woolston
IV: Melissa “Not Sidebar Material” Diamond
V: Sama “No Family Reunions” Smith
VI: Sarah “Tumor Face” Wreisner
VII: John “Cult Following” Wreisner
VIII: Joshua “Peed the Bed” Longman
VIII: Annette “Oh, Right, That’s Who Won” Barron
WEREWOLF (most recent)
Werewolf Stats Spreadsheet
PUZZLE CHALLENGE
I (Pure): Matthew “The Obsessor” Gilman
I (Power): Kelly “The Novak-Destroyer” Wells
DIPLOMACY
I: Matt “Exploiter of Worlds” Novak (France)
Casa de Leche 
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August 30, 2018 at 9:06 am
nettiebarron
Morning!
August 30, 2018 at 9:35 am
meat
Zoinks!
August 30, 2018 at 10:26 am
BigPapaJonTheElf
Good morning! Are you a wolf?
August 30, 2018 at 10:41 am
nettiebarron
Nope.
August 30, 2018 at 11:01 am
BigPapaJonTheElf
Are you lying about that?
August 30, 2018 at 11:43 am
nettiebarron
Nope.
August 30, 2018 at 11:49 am
BigPapaJonTheElf
Isn’t that what a werewolf would say?
August 30, 2018 at 3:44 pm
nettiebarron
Maybe.
August 30, 2018 at 9:22 am
beezypoof
here i am.
last night, i asked Kelly to remove me from the game. i hadn’t realized how badly my brain has deteriorated (due to Multiple Sclerosis) over the last couple years in terms of memory (i’ve literally been creating these elaborate spreadsheets of what everyone has said over the last two days just so i can remember anything that’s happened) and comprehension of higher level shit like statistics and logic. i’m having a really hard time following the game, and, even then, i’m doing it so slowly. last night, despite having had five caffeinated beverages and ritalin (prescribed) during the day, i was so exhausted by 11:00 that i could have bawled about it. (and that’s a pretty early bedtime for me.)
kelly and i had agreed.
and then i realized i’d be screwing the game whether wolf or villager, so i retracted my request. this’ll definitely be my last werewolf game. please be patient with me. i will do my level best.
right now, i’m going back to sleep. those Toddle Twins woke me up at 2:30 and 5:00, and i’ve been up for the day since then.
thanks,
SCB
August 30, 2018 at 10:20 am
BigPapaJonTheElf
So, I haven’t seen you play in many previous werewolf games, but your performance doesn’t seem worse than most other players, including me. Also, when the game is over I would love to see those spreadsheets. I also have trouble remembering what everyone said, I’d love to see your method.
August 30, 2018 at 11:43 am
MelissaD
***** Undead *****
Remember how I didn’t do a first day peek and then thought Brooks was reading my mind? I don’t have MS, Beezy, and you were clearly outdoing me in the “keeping up with the game” area.
***** Dead Again *****
August 30, 2018 at 2:23 pm
beezypoof
thank you, Melissa. i’m sorry i was SO certain you were the wolf. i feel like an ass about it today. and, i mean, everyone makes mistakes. but mine are significant (like just not even being able to properly follow the special roles, and the amount of work i put in to really come up with nothing great. it’s just too hard.
August 30, 2018 at 2:21 pm
beezypoof
thanks for the vote of support. perhaps it’s something i notice much more than others, though i’d think Novak would see the decline, and maybe WIll and Brooks (course, he’s gone). The spreadsheets took HOURS, and i didn’t complete either day. it’s probably not the best way to use exel, i’m not super familiar with it, but it “worked” for me. even though i never really got a chance to look back at it for trends, cuz there just wasn’t time, so maybe it didn’t really work. and i DID push the Melissa vote yesterday, and i felt SO CERTAIN i was right. i got sick to my stomach when i saw DG was a wolf. ugh.
August 30, 2018 at 9:33 am
meat
I’m in and out this morning, but I’m certain I’m a villager, and fairly certain dg’s claim exonerated me. Yes there’s a chance he lied, but I did accept a drink day one.
August 30, 2018 at 9:41 am
mbnovak
I’m with you. No reason for a meat wagon today, there are much better candidates.
August 30, 2018 at 9:40 am
mbnovak
Voting for Melissa last night:
ash10101
beezypoof
todahshy
Warhammer
Voting for DG last night:
BigPapaJonTheElf
Colin Prime
The Dread Pirate
mbnovak
meat
nettiebarron
It is, generally speaking, unlikely for the wolves to have been a late pile-on, and almost certainly they wouldn’t have flipped to DG during the tiebreaker because it would buy them another day. All of this said with the huge caveat that bussing buys a lot of cred. Still, I don’t see a wolf in Pope flipping during the extra session because he had plenty of cover to just stay on DG.
Late DG jumpers are probably less likely to be wolves for the same reason, but early DG voters might well have been looking to get in good.
Here’s my list:
Clean:
Novak, meat (I don’t think DG used his first peek on a fellow-wolf meat).
Clean, but very suspiciously so:
Beezy (I’ve thought more and more about this play. The Super Cool Beezy I know would have played this perfectly if she was peeked by her fellow wolf who was falling on his sword, and that just… fits so well with what I saw yesterday.) So, if DG peeked her before I came out with the drinks thing, she’s likely clean (he wouldn’t waste that peek for cred), but if it happened afterward, she might be wolfy (at that point he would totally use that for cred)(and, FWIW, Beezy was one of the first people to move a vote to DG or Melissa, and did so pretty much right away after she came back. So I don’t buy her confusion for a second – she was on top of things. (see here: https://spookymilk.wordpress.com/2018/08/29/werewolf-speakeasy-iii-day-two/#comment-88215).
Clean based on actions:
Pope. I don’t see a wolf flipping in extra time like that.
DPWY for late vote on DG.*
Colin Prime for late vote on DG. *
*Both of these guys are seasoned enough players that they’d bus DG in that situation. Colin Prime is still smacking of wolf to me, so I acknowledge the actions putting him here, but I can’t shake something about him.
Need lots more examination
nettie
ash10101
todahshy – I don’t read him as wolf, but he was in the Melissa group (though gone at the deadline?)
Warhammer – This would be too obvious, right? Maybe it was just that easy?
August 30, 2018 at 9:47 am
todahshy
I stand by my Melissa vote. Though wrong I thought it had the least downside of the two options if I was wrong one of them.
August 30, 2018 at 10:13 am
nettiebarron
What does this even mean?
August 30, 2018 at 11:10 am
meat
Really? Less down side? Why?
August 30, 2018 at 10:57 am
nettiebarron
I started out suspicious of DG yesterday morning, before he fake claimed. Why am I still on your naughty list?
August 30, 2018 at 10:59 am
mbnovak
Because you don’t fit into one of the clean categories, and I’ve got no basis for clearing you.
Though, somewhat strangely, two of my top 3 current candidates (Beezy, Prime (joining Warhammer)) are on my cleanish lists…
August 30, 2018 at 2:32 pm
beezypoof
the drink request, as i said yesterday, was in my inbox, timestamped 12:25. i didn’t see it cuz my phone doesn’t properly load my email (it’s ancient), and, because i’m losing my mind, it didn’t even occur to me to have my email open in a tab on my laptop. so, i def had it before you brought up drink requests, i just didn’t see it until afterwards.
August 30, 2018 at 9:46 am
daneekasghost
***NEVER MADE A DEATH POST***
Wish I could have been around more last night. Looked like fun.
***LUPINELY YOURS, DG***
August 30, 2018 at 10:17 am
BigPapaJonTheElf
Well, that was a crazy ride last night. Today I’ll be almost entirely unavailable between 6:30 and night. I’ll try to check in, but I likely won’t be able to.
So far I think meat is clean. That’s as much analysis as I’ve been able to do.
August 30, 2018 at 10:31 am
The Dread Pirate
I’m on the road most of today looking at horse farms in southern Minnesota (seriously), and in going to the State Fair tonight, so it’s not going to be my best day.
Looking at how things went down yesterday, there’s a greater than 90% likelihood Novak is clean. If Pope is a wolf, we should just quit now and hand him the game for making such a ballsy move during the tiebreaker. Just throwing that out there for everyone to have in one place. If you think I hunted as much as I did last night while bussing DG, then apparently nothing I do will ever seem villagery.
August 30, 2018 at 10:36 am
mbnovak
then apparently nothing I do will ever seem villagery.
Yeah, that about sums up how I read you in this game.
Where in Southern Minnesota?
August 30, 2018 at 11:01 am
The Dread Pirate
Mostly Rice and Goodhue Counties. No where near your neck of the woods, unfortunately.
August 30, 2018 at 10:42 am
BigPapaJonTheElf
f Pope is a wolf, we should just quit now and hand him the game for making such a ballsy move during the tiebreaker.
This makes me wish I was a wolf.
August 30, 2018 at 10:44 am
todahshy
There’s a 100% chance Novak is clean…
The Red Devil died right? Melissa was the good seer and said she saw Novak as a villager. Since Red Devil was DG we know Novak is clean.
August 30, 2018 at 10:45 am
todahshy
Nope I’m an idiot
August 30, 2018 at 10:45 am
todahshy
Don’t play werewolf while traveling…
August 30, 2018 at 10:49 am
BigPapaJonTheElf
Novak could still be Mind Eraser. He would have come up clean when Melissa peeked him. There’s a 90% chance that he’s a villager.
August 30, 2018 at 10:52 am
mbnovak
There’s a better chance than that too because I was also targeted by the wolves (by the silencer), and was able to use that to open things up yesterday. Just as your flip is something a wolf doesn’t do, so too is there is no way a wolf makes the play I did yesterday to blow things up. Melissa’s peek just gives that additional confirmation.
Regardless, 90% or more, we’ve fortunately got a smaller candidate pool which really shouldn’t include me, you, or meat.
August 30, 2018 at 10:53 am
todahshy
Yeah I confused Red Devil with Mind Eraser which made me really not understand what DG did last night when I saw the result. But I am back on track now.
August 30, 2018 at 10:38 am
todahshy
OK, I just caught up on everything I missed while flying. Here’s my list right now:
Cleared:
Novak
Todahshy (YMMV)
Cleared by my gut:
Nettie
Meat
Beezy
Which leaves:
DPWY
BPJtE
Colin
Warhammer
Ash
As my potential suspect pool.
My current too suspect is…
August 30, 2018 at 10:46 am
todahshy
I recant my clearing of Novak and pit him back in the cleared by my gut category.
August 30, 2018 at 10:49 am
mbnovak
Dude. Your gut is crap. Your gut went with Melissa last night.
August 30, 2018 at 10:54 am
todahshy
So did five other people!
August 30, 2018 at 10:55 am
mbnovak
Two of whom might well have been wolves!
August 30, 2018 at 10:54 am
todahshy
So you’re saying my gut should not clear you?!
August 30, 2018 at 10:55 am
mbnovak
No, I’m saying your head should clear me!
August 30, 2018 at 11:01 am
todahshy
Oh I’ll clear you out of my gut!
August 30, 2018 at 10:41 am
todahshy
vote Warhammer
Did not like how he read at the end of the day yesterday. Especially his last miNute vote on Melissa and then scolding people for doing the same on DG. Throwing out desparate, baseless accusations.
Also, DG made sure we noticed Warhammer make a bad rule comment about the wolves and their knowledge. That didn’t sit well with me either looking back with what we know now about DG.
August 30, 2018 at 10:41 am
todahshy
I would list Colin as my number 2, then DPWY, then BPJtE followed by Ash.
August 30, 2018 at 10:55 am
nettiebarron
I felt like DPWY and Colin were the only voices of reason last night.
August 30, 2018 at 10:58 am
todahshy
When I read back I saw DPWY fighting against DG but never underestimate his ability to bus a lost cause, he did it to me as wolves once.
Colin when I just did my read back on I did not get the sense that he was a strong pusher, he made this point and then got sidetracked into pointless petty fights… Oh wait that is villager Colin. You are right. I will put him in my cleared by my gut category for now.
I’m still not sold on DPWY though.
August 30, 2018 at 11:02 am
mbnovak
Let’s talk about this… My gut is telling me there’s a wolf between those two as well, because both of them will bus expertly.
Looking beyond last night, DPWY’s game looks more regular villager, whereas Prime’s game seems different to me (I’ve pointed out the lack of specificity (no time stamps, etc.) than his usual ones. It might legitimately be his new home thing but… beyond last night, any thoughts on their games?
August 30, 2018 at 11:10 am
nettiebarron
For what it’s worth, I ALWAYS think Pirate is a wolf. However, I don’t this game. He just strikes me as a calm and rational villager.
August 30, 2018 at 11:13 am
meat
I’m comfortable with a warhammer vote for the same reason.
August 30, 2018 at 11:28 am
Warhammer
I would be on this vote like fleas on a hound dog….just the vote is for me!
My problem with meat and Colin as wolf targets (despite my pointing that way at 8:59 yesterday) is that yesterday was not a great day for wolf on wolf targeting and they were perfectly situated to vote Melissa without a hint of target on their back, particularly late with so much uncertainty between the two targets. I fully understand the value of doing so to better appear as a villager, but wolves were in literally the best possible position yesterday. Kill off Melissa during the day, another villager at night, and then we definitely kill of DG today. Wolves killing a villager is most logical when the village has no idea who might be a wolf (even a ‘one of these two is a wolf for sure’) – Melissa day dying as Green Eyes puts a 150% target on DG to die today, but just delays the timing for that by a day (from day 2 to day 3) and kills a few vanillagers in the mean time. Now we are sitting 8:2 (V:W), whereas killing off Melissa during the day would put them at 6:2 tomorrow day, without a clue who might be wolf once DG dies. There would literally be zero discussion necessary if DG was alive right now, so they might as well push strongly for it like the rest.
August 30, 2018 at 10:54 am
mbnovak
Gal darn it. I just can’t shake this feeling about Beezy. I worked with her so closely in Survivor XIII, and I remember when she was a wolf and faked us all out… and she’s playing this perfect again for that approach.
I gotta go with it. She’s too good at this. I think we should put some serious pressure there.
Vote Super Cool Beezy
August 30, 2018 at 1:59 pm
beezypoof
i think you know me well enough to know that i wouldn’t use MS as a chip to win a game.
August 30, 2018 at 2:31 pm
mbnovak
That is definitely what’s holding me back from really embracing this theory. But at the same time, you’re calling attention to it one way or the other, so it became part of the game, regardless of your role.
Anyway, as has been established, I hate using “outside the game” stuff, and so I’m just trying to put it out of my head and focus on what I can see and know.
August 30, 2018 at 2:42 pm
beezypoof
fair enough
August 30, 2018 at 11:12 am
Warhammer
I know…kicking a dead horse. Probably a dead, since regurgitated horse that even wolves couldn’t keep down…but here’s where I am at (not so much believing it is fact but as a real, possible scenario where we sit now):
Novak is the Mind Eraser, and the other unknown wolf is Quiet Sunday. They agreed in Night 1 that Novak would claim being silenced if he ever received a drink (knowing that DG would not give him a drink as Red Devil) then an unknown Melissa (as Green Eyes) would be sending it. If he claims to received two drinks, then Quiet Sunday would not actually send a silencer drink (but if Novak did not receive it, then QS could send his drink right before 5pm). The only reason we believe that Quiet Sunday sent a drink to Novak is because Novak told us he received two drinks (one of which was from Melissa as Green Eyes). This is literally the best case scenario for a Mind Eraser – he/she has been confirmed as a villager by the confirmed Green Eyes, and can claim without any proof that he was silenced, so therefore the wolf pack is clearly on him and he is 100% a vanillager.
I’m happy for people to just say that I’m getting overly locked on an idea, but this is the most logical path I’d certainly take as a Mind Eraser. Simply getting peeked by Green Eyes isn’t adequate – getting peeked by GE and a drink from obviously a different werewolf is villager gold!
I just tried my best to re-read day 1 (after skimming day 2 again) and I simply have to go off gut feel, as I’ve never played with any of you all before, so I can’t judge based on knowing how each of you normally play and how this game is different. My gut was that Novak did most excellent convincing of the village to jump on Ink, which the village gradually did – I also put a lot of value in last dying statements. I suppose Ink could have just been annoyed at Novak putting the target on him, but unsure what more there is…
I tried to see where DG maybe signaled the wolf pack that Ink was a roled villager, but DG voted Ink at 9:02…I can only imagine that was a signal that Ink was getting a drink, but how do you signal that as a werewolf during the day without pre-planning….
That all said, I’m not voting for Novak, nor strongly pushing it….I’m just worried everyone will automatically make him the #1 safe vanillager….and we (or at least I in that case) are very much depending on his statement of receiving two drinks for that – and there is simply no way to confirm that was so.
My problem with the above is if Novak is Mind Eraser, then meat becomes my certain vote for Quiet Sunday. And meat pushed things in favor of the tie between Melissa & DG, and we all know how that ended up (besides with both of them dead). For sure, I think anyone could defend a vote either way, and the wolves are in a really great position if they had killed four villagers (including both roled villagers) as of last night with little evidence to support who else (besides DG) may be a wolf, so you really get into deep state strategy to have wolves kill off another wolf yesterday during the day…
Now if todahshy ends up as a wolf….then I’m seriously bothered and I’m going to go give Ebola to a different village (or I mean…not give Ebola). He was literally the one person I allowed across my villager line yesterday…
I’m certainly crazy suspicious of ash, beezy, todahshy, and myself. And I already showed off my perfectly normal canine teeth…
August 30, 2018 at 11:23 am
meat
I’m the only one admitting I got a drink on day one and took it.
I ran through all the scenarios before arriving at the idea that Melissa would counter claim as a wolf was totally stupid. I let took me until the end of voting to see that dg was the one making a calculated play.
As I said in overtime, I’m certain Novak and dg were working in concert, and I don’t see much to convince me otherwise at the moment.
August 30, 2018 at 11:23 am
todahshy
Your crazy theory speaks to me on so many levels. Loving. It.
You should play more often.
It is interesting that the seer claim came AFTER Novak announced he received two drinks. Almost as if he was sending a code to the wolves that he got the seer drink, the con is on, now let’s go forward with the next part of our plan.
This is not a bad theory at all.
August 30, 2018 at 11:28 am
mbnovak
Are you freaking kidding me? This is a terrible theory. It literally is focusing on the two cleanest people in the game. This is as bad as it gets.
August 30, 2018 at 11:39 am
nettiebarron
I don’t think you’re helping by continuing to claim that you are the cleanest in the game. You protest too much.
August 30, 2018 at 11:47 am
BigPapaJonTheElf
Does it help if I claim he’s the cleanest in the game? Because that’s how he seems to me. Warhammer’s theory is possible, but literally relies on too many moving parts and a lucky drink service. It’s tempting to me, but I can’t afford to be seduced by that level of conspiracy theory without more evidence.
August 30, 2018 at 11:50 am
nettiebarron
It only helps if I’m convinced you’re not a wolf. And I am not.
August 30, 2018 at 11:52 am
mbnovak
Oh good grief. I was peeked by the good seer and cleared. That makes me almost certainly clean.
I also used the fact that I was peeked by two people to ultimately put the wolves in a very difficult situation which led to the wolf seer (and DG, by the way… one of the best wolves) being lynched. That just isn’t something a wolf would do.
I’m protesting exactly the right amount because instead of focusing on finding the other two wolves we’re talking about players who we can all know are almost certainly clean.
August 30, 2018 at 11:59 am
mbnovak
You probably should be convinced Pope isn’t a wolf. There is 0 reason for a wolf to put that kill shot on DG last night.
August 30, 2018 at 11:42 am
Warhammer
So there is where it gets me. I would love an explanation please…
How are you clean from what anyone said besides you, yourself, claiming two drinks yesterday. That is the only reason you are ‘the cleanest […] in the game’. For sure if that fact is true, then I agree with you 100% that you are clean village #1, never to be second guessed, but don’t I have to trust what you stated to give you said cleanliness?
So you are either Mind Eraser or the actual Mind Eraser wasn’t seered so is now a boring old, plain werewolf! My scenario does require a 11.1% chance that Green Eyes choose you yesterday, but it is werewolf gold if you lucked out. So perhaps I should be cautious about putting too much weight on this theory, but I guess at a minimum you are no more or less clean the any other member of our village in my eyes…
BTW to all….I fully realize that I’m reading as hella-wolfie right now, but I gotta speak my mind…
August 30, 2018 at 11:45 am
todahshy
I don’t like the meat part of the theory…
August 30, 2018 at 11:49 am
meat
Me either!
August 30, 2018 at 11:32 am
Warhammer
Again…I just can’t get off this theory. And every bit of evidence and explanation from Novak was a ‘that is exactly what I’d say as Mind Eraser’….
It’s literally the dream scenario as Mind Eraser….getting a drink from Green Eyes – if pre-set-up amongst the pack, then the sky’s the limit.
August 30, 2018 at 11:35 am
mbnovak
The dream scenario is getting peeked and letting your power do its thing, not sacrificing another wolf in order to go from 90% clean to 95% clean.
August 30, 2018 at 2:42 pm
Warhammer
I will say you didn’t sacrifice DG – DG sacrificed himself. Your long con™ didn’t require DG offing himself. It did further cement your story that you’re a vanillager.
I’ll again state (in another way) that this isn’t a definitive story that I’m sticking to…just that it isn’t an impossibility (or that rare of a possibility). The chance that you got Melissa’s drink to make you the cleanest of the clean is the exact same percentage chance that Melissa’s drink made you the connivingest of the conniving…
August 30, 2018 at 11:33 am
mbnovak
Alright, the whole theory is convoluted and has far too many moving parts to really go into great detail, but I think it can be busted apart very simply:
If I am the mind eraser wolf and I get peeked on day 2, I would absolutely know it was by the good seer, right? Because the other two wolves wouldn’t be sending me drinks. So why would I say anything at all? My being peeked only mostly clears me, but if I were a wolf then I still wouldn’t know who the good seer was, so I’d want my wolf seer to keep sending out drinks. The whole thing falls apart because the wolf seer ended up coming out to try to out the actual seer, whereas, if I was a wolf, they could have just stayed quiet and kept working on finding that person while letting myself be cleared.
If the mind eraser wolf got peeked there was 0 upside to the wolves sacrificing one of their own.
August 30, 2018 at 11:49 am
todahshy
Or the only reason the wolf seer needs to come out is because they know Mind Eraser got served a drink and now the good seer going forward can only benefit the village so why not sac yourself to take out the other seer as well. Both roles villagers would be gone so your power is not needed anymore.
August 30, 2018 at 11:50 am
Warhammer
You’re missing the most important part of the theory – claiming you were silenced. That clearly makes you a villager, as only villagers would get targeted by Quiet Sunday. By claiming the silencing – as long as no one else is actually silenced to ruin your story – then you buy yourself a double confirmation as a villager.
I do agree the theory starts to fall apart when DG claimed to be a seer – I guess you’re banking on being more convincing (if you are DG) than Melissa’s claim as seer. That said, DG’s claim (when confirmed by Beezy to receiving it) adds some uncertainty around Melissa’s claim – at least which is good and which is bad. I probably wouldn’t have made DG’s claim as seer yesterday, but it isn’t a horrible one to make…
I don’t think Beezy is a wolf yet, but she does end up in my ‘Which leaves’ category if I broke things down like todahshy does. Hell….I think everyone fits in that category. Damn you todahshy….you better not be a wolf!
I’ll just reiterate that having never played with any of you before, I can’t really say who’s game is more or less sneaky to watch out for – I have to assume you are all conniving as they come…
August 30, 2018 at 11:57 am
mbnovak
But a “double confirmation” is essentially worthless. If I’m already confirmed as “probably a villager” by the good seer, everyone can take that and say “yeah, we know it’s not 100%, but its close.” Giving up another wolf in order to get a smidge closer to 100% is complete folly.
Claiming I was silenced had nothing to do with anything. I only claimed at the outset that I was served two drinks. I had no idea what those drinks were, and I sought out input from other players so as to determine my course of action. Indeed, I was trying to get confirmation from meat and Beezy regarding DG’s seer claim before I even did anything. I wouldn’t have cared what anyone said if it was all a play.
Anyway, I’m done. This theory is complete crap. We need to focus on actual other targets. There are still two wolves out there and you’re so obsessed with this theory that you’re focusing on the players who have been all-but-cleared.
August 30, 2018 at 12:50 pm
todahshy
But if the wolves “accidentally” night kill the good seer without getting you cleared your whole power would be useless. Which is exactly something you would think of!!!
August 30, 2018 at 11:16 am
ash10101
Sorry guys, at school for a few more hours before I’m free for the day.
August 30, 2018 at 11:53 am
Warhammer
beezypoof voting for Inkarnit
codefox voting for Inkarnit
daneekasghost voting for Inkarnit
The Dread Pirate voting for Inkarnit
mbnovak voting for Inkarnit
meat voting for Inkarnit
MelissaD (1) voting for Inkarnit
Ink votes on day 1…
ash10101 voting for MelissaD
beezypoof voting for MelissaD
daneekasghost (7) voting for MelissaD
todahshy voting for MelissaD
Warhammer voting for MelissaD
Melissa votes on day two…
Beezy and DG are the only consistent voters for villagers….
August 30, 2018 at 11:53 am
Warhammer
Sorry…as per my last comment at 11:53a…
vote beezypoof
August 30, 2018 at 11:54 am
spookymilk
Off to work, wieners.
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ash10101
beezypoof (2)
BigPapaJonTheElf
Colin Prime
The Dread Pirate
mbnovak voting for beezypoof
meat
nettiebarron
todahshy voting for Warhammer
Warhammer (1) voting for beezypoof
There’s a long way to go.
August 30, 2018 at 12:05 pm
nettiebarron
Vote Todahshy I didn’t love his entrance this morning. The whole “I stand by my Melissa vote” doesn’t sit right.
August 30, 2018 at 12:55 pm
todahshy
I’m sorry for standing by my decision to vote for a seer who couldn’t be bothered to be paying enough attention to get us peeks?
I figured if I was wrong then worst case we lost a villager who was not really in to the game. I don’t think numbers wise it is as crippling as people were making it out to be since you have the guaranteed kill the next day.
But I basically missed the last two hours of the day so some of those arguments may have swayed me to the correct decision but at the time that’s what I decided to base my decision off of. I also could not find a reason why DG would claim, though this Novak conspiracy theory does explain that perfectly…
August 30, 2018 at 12:22 pm
Colin Prime
I get internet at 2 or so today and have my computer with me at the house so will do analysis then.
For now :
Clean: Novak, toadah, by rationale and seeming hunting. I can’t see the Novak conspiracy theories being plausible, especially with Melissa coming up clean. Dg and Novak paired doesn’t make sense. Toadah reads Clean to me with voting and apparentlyhunting.
I need to look over the last two days , not on my phone, to get a better sense of where we’re at. I’ll do that this afternoon.
August 30, 2018 at 12:52 pm
todahshy
The only thing that could possibly explain what DG did last night is Novak being Mind Eraser. I can just tell I’m not going to be able to get past this.
August 30, 2018 at 1:29 pm
mbnovak
Dude. There was obviously another explanation.
At least I feel good with the idea that you and Warhammer probably aren’t wolves together because I can’t see the two wolves circling this cockamamie idea without some village-generated idiocy contributing.
August 30, 2018 at 1:32 pm
Warhammer
I take full responsibility for my cockamamie idea. I’m like the alcoholic on the corner who clearly needs a tin foil hat…
But the world is definitely ending…of that I’m clear!
August 30, 2018 at 2:19 pm
meat
I’m, im fine killing Novak, as has been my position all along. And because it’s fun. And because I’m not a wolf
August 30, 2018 at 1:51 pm
meat
And me?
August 30, 2018 at 2:11 pm
beezypoof
man, where is everybody? much more game had happened by this time yesterday.
August 30, 2018 at 2:14 pm
ash10101
Sorry, had a full day of school today so I only just got out. Stupid education
August 30, 2018 at 2:36 pm
beezypoof
seriously, education can kiss my ass, especially when it keeps anyone from werewolf. (i have a masters degree that turned out to be completely useless cuz i’m on disability. i often think of all those hours i could have back.) 🙂
August 30, 2018 at 2:37 pm
ash10101
What’d you get a masters in?
August 30, 2018 at 2:41 pm
beezypoof
Clinical Social Work. I focused on providing mental health therapy for children and adolescents. it’s not the the subject matter is useless, just that i can’t work, so i’m not using it. SO. MANY. HOURS!!!
August 30, 2018 at 2:57 pm
ash10101
oof yeah that sucks, though thats an interesting subject
August 30, 2018 at 3:26 pm
The Dread Pirate
I, on the other hand, got a masters with a useless subject matter (Tourism Administration). We learned that if you work in an industry that requires people to visit (hotels, sports, entertainment, etc.), then it’s better to make people not hate visiting your venue, attending your game, etc. Truly pointless.
August 30, 2018 at 3:59 pm
beezypoof
it was def an interesting, and challenging, subject, yes. and Will, yeah, that sounds SO educational. stupid degree design, sounds like. *eye baguette*
August 30, 2018 at 4:39 pm
ash10101
you can GET a masters in that Will? Interesting!
August 30, 2018 at 5:24 pm
The Dread Pirate
That’s your takeaway?! I mean, I guess it’s interesting, but it’s truly useless (full disclosure, I only got it because I was working full-time for the school in that area so my tuition was 98% covered as professional development).
August 30, 2018 at 5:29 pm
ash10101
Ahh. That’s a pretty good reason.
August 30, 2018 at 2:26 pm
BigPapaJonTheElf
Been working all day. But I’ve also been thinking. Got some thoughts and questions that I’ll start to share here.
August 30, 2018 at 2:39 pm
beezypoof
up until 2:35pm yesterday:
Novak and Todashy were by FAR the most-posting players. Novak more than Todashy.
perhaps people who have memory of previous games can read something into that? do they seem to talk more when they’re wolves or villagers? or is this something that wouldn’t even help determine anything?
August 30, 2018 at 2:46 pm
BigPapaJonTheElf
I can’t think of a time when anything has kept Novak from talking, aside, perhaps a beverage designed to do that very thing.
August 30, 2018 at 2:54 pm
beezypoof
okay, fair enough.
August 30, 2018 at 2:39 pm
BigPapaJonTheElf
Fist off, Matt. In the morning you make the statement “We should all always refuse drinks at this point, right?” I know you talked a lot about your reasons, and you weren’t 100% against accepting drinks, but later when you had 2 drink offers you were leaning toward taking them, which you eventually did.
There was also a time component, at the time you revealed the offers to the village, you were up against the deadline. Can you confirm the time you were offered each drink, and why you waited as long as you did to reveal them?
August 30, 2018 at 2:40 pm
BigPapaJonTheElf
Fist off? Ergh, that sounds like a porn parody of Face/Off.
August 30, 2018 at 3:22 pm
Inkarnit
***DEAD***
I think I saw that one.
***RISING UP***
August 30, 2018 at 3:27 pm
The Dread Pirate
Bad to time mention that you’re rising up
August 30, 2018 at 3:28 pm
Inkarnit
Or the best time.
August 30, 2018 at 2:45 pm
Warhammer
Inquiring minds want to know….
August 30, 2018 at 2:51 pm
beezypoof
yes to this! this is the point i made yesterday. although i was off base with why i thought i could prove this at that point. but, when he brings it up, he says he has to reply to at least one of the drinks soon, and encourages quick replies from all of us. we have hours before we have to accept a drink, so, if it’s a time crunch by the time he starts talking about it (2:31), he had to have had it for a while.
he said that he didn’t get the requests that were sent to his email, and that Kelly contacted him by a different method. this was to explain away why he doesn’t mention it sooner.
i’d also like to hear more about what happened here…
August 30, 2018 at 2:52 pm
mbnovak
As I mentioned yesterday, the message from Spooky that I had drinks didn’t come through to me via my e-mail (I still haven’t gotten those notices). He reached out to me via another route, to make sure I was aware I’d been served drinks. I asked him how much time I had left on them. He told me “about an hour on the first one” and “about three” on the second one. That was at 2:13.
So that was when I first learned of my drinks that had been offered, and I immediately brought it up and sought opinions. The fact that two drinks had been offered to the same person told us far more than a single drink offer would, which is why I brought it up to the village.
August 30, 2018 at 2:55 pm
beezypoof
you brought it up at 2:35.
August 30, 2018 at 3:04 pm
beezypoof
not “immediately,” is what i’m saying. but why the drastic change in opinion about “not drinking under any circumstance” and “i’m gonna drink both of these?”
August 30, 2018 at 3:05 pm
beezypoof
did you realize your “don’t drink” analysis was wrong? cuz most people said it was right.
August 30, 2018 at 3:07 pm
mbnovak
I realized that the same person being served multiple drinks changed the analysis, which was not something I had considered earlier.
August 30, 2018 at 3:07 pm
mbnovak
2:31, but, close enough.
I started playing over the scenarios in my head immediately, and typed them all out, though got interrupted by real life a few times as I was doing so.
I didn’t know who had peeked me, and had to play out the options. It was obvious at least one wolf had, but I had no way of knowing and so wanted to go over it all.
August 30, 2018 at 3:41 pm
beezypoof
these explanations are alright by me.
August 30, 2018 at 2:45 pm
BigPapaJonTheElf
I think I had other questions, but now work is back and I may not get to them.
August 30, 2018 at 3:06 pm
meat
I’m sorry I haven’t really participated but work. Will be around this evening to offer ideas and Novak related killing thoughts.
August 30, 2018 at 3:21 pm
The Dread Pirate
Ok, got a brief window here where I can participate a little today.
First, you better believe I kicked the idea of Novak as the Mind Eraser a few times after DG’s reveal last night. Having said that, if Novak is the Mind Eraser, that still leaves a third wolf, so getting so fixated on Novak today like we seem to have done is silly. Let’s keep hunting so we can use that as evidence for/against Novak. For example, Warhammer had a really, really wolfy end of the day yesterday (and a decently wolfy day one). Plus, he’s going after Novak hard today. If he ends up a villager, that will provide a TON more information (about Novak and Nettie especially). If not, great, then we’ve found a second wolf.
Second, Ash, Nettie, and Colin: give us some reads. Give us some reasons. Give us something.
Third, as evidenced by Melissa’s complete cluelessness yesterday, Novak’s inability to realize that a second drink would end his silencing*, todahshy’s forgetfulness of the Mind Eraser position this morning, and a few other examples – beezy, you shouldn’t be worried at all by missing some nuances of this particular game. You’ve been active and hunting when around, which is a lot more than can be said than for some others.
*if that’s what happened and wasn’t an act
vote Warhammer
August 30, 2018 at 3:35 pm
nettiebarron
How does Warhammer being a villager give you information about me? Just curious.
I gave you my read on you and Colin. I have doubts about Todahshy, which I’ve expressed. I don’t really have any feelings on anyone else yet.
August 30, 2018 at 4:02 pm
The Dread Pirate
If he’s a wolf, then Novak definitely isn’t (based on this morning) and you likely aren’t (based on day one).
August 30, 2018 at 4:22 pm
Warhammer
I would say it’s currently completely justified that Novak and I aren’t the wolfie pack, but I don’t see how my being a wolf means Nessie is not.
I’m regretting the shrug – I literally wasn’t sure where to go on day 1 (you have to go with your gut when you have never played with people before – I have literally nothing to go on calling tells on people). Code, Ink, Novak, tod, and Big Papa all shifted to Nettie (beween 6-7pm) based on how she was acting and I followed suit after coming on and catching up to where people were at on wolf calls (at 7:03) – I had never played with any of you, so I a bit had to trust y’all calling her tells…
Now I’m not a wolf – I fully see how I appear wolf given my pre-9pm call out of Colin and meat (less so my theory on Novak as of today). I guess I didn’t trust someone waiting to put any name out until the minute or two prior to the end – that gives zero basis to go off of judging them nor their reasoning. Probably not the smartest wolf move, but a wolf move non-the-less – a poorly played wolf doesn’t speak all day (or minimally) and jumps on a villager if clear that their vote can take one down ‘safely’.
I had been on Novak since 9am yesterday, given Ink’s call out to take him down….clearly no point in sticking to that when it was a battle between DG and Melissa. I definitely needed to stake a claim and I went (incorrectly) with Melissa.
August 30, 2018 at 4:44 pm
BigPapaJonTheElf
Heh, Nessie. I’m calling her that from now on.
As to Ink’s callout, I think it’s safe to disregard that. We know now that Ink couldn’t have known Novak’s role. He is also always likely to call out Novak, and he was on him pretty early, claiming Novak was trying to hide in plain sight. That was my feeling the first day, events have transpired since then to change my mind.
August 30, 2018 at 3:50 pm
spookymilk
So I’m manager on duty for the majority of the day. This was news to me despite everyone else knowing. Yay! I’ll jump in when I can. Thankfully, I’m off tomorrow.
August 30, 2018 at 4:38 pm
mbnovak
I’ve cooled a bit on Beezy. She’s been doing her previously wolfy “I’m just trying to make sense of things” routine to perfection again, but it took another step in that she seems to have found resolution to some of her questions, so that difference either suggests something different (villager) or an evolution (even more dangerous wolf game). Either way, I think we’ve got better candidates for today, namely Colin Prime.
And f I’m Colin Prime, how much you want to bet I show up with a comment about how the internet guys didn’t get there when they said, or some such? He’s been full of real-world excuses, but those same things have rarely, if ever, stopped Colin Prime before. I’ll feel like a heel if he’s legitimately busy, but if he is he’ll forgive me, so whatever. And I’ll say it again, his posts have been noticably different this game. Last game, as a villager, he pointed to more people, used specific posts and time stamps to build a case, had more quick comments in the moment, etc. He’s totally a wolf.
Unvote Beezy
Vote Colin Prime
I think Wargamers is a pretty solid vote too, but I’m a little more reluctant to go there because a wolf pushing the ridiculous theories he is just seems too obvious, right?
August 30, 2018 at 4:42 pm
ash10101
Im gonna go look back at last game cause now im intrigued on if he’s actually this different this game.
August 30, 2018 at 5:21 pm
ash10101
Update: I’m definitely starting to agree this is a somewhat different game, though I think I’m mostly thinking that cause he’s barely spoken this game (which Is also somewhat iffy)
August 30, 2018 at 4:54 pm
BigPapaJonTheElf
Alright, it looks like I’m not going to have much more time today at all. All I’ve managed to do today is convince myself that Novak’s not a wolf. Everyone else is still suspicious to me, but I’m going to go back to one of my earliest suspicions.
vote Nettiebarron
I think she’s just, off this game. I don’t see any hunting from her, just deflection. I’ll try to check in before voting time to see if there’s anything that makes me think differently.
August 30, 2018 at 5:28 pm
The Dread Pirate
The fact that I asked her for reads and she only named three people lines up with her villager games.
August 30, 2018 at 5:28 pm
The Dread Pirate
Not that that exonerates her by any means.
August 30, 2018 at 5:40 pm
The Dread Pirate
Can we get some substantive posts today that are neither about Novak not written by Novak? Anyone? I hate when one player becomes to focus of everything this early (and I’ve been that got as a villager a few times) because it provides such easy wolf cover
August 30, 2018 at 5:57 pm
mbnovak
I’ll second this.
August 30, 2018 at 6:04 pm
nettiebarron
Colin said he’d be back with his read on the game. Todah seems to have disappeared and taken meat with him. Pope has questions he can’t remember. Ash thinks this game is different than the last one.
Super productive afternoon.
August 30, 2018 at 6:28 pm
beezypoof
didn’t Colin say he’d have internet by 2:00? where’s he been?
August 30, 2018 at 6:29 pm
ash10101
At this point I’m considering the possibility he’s been abducted by aliens.
August 30, 2018 at 6:33 pm
spookymilk
Believe it or not, I think this is up to date…
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ash10101
beezypoof (1)
BigPapaJonTheElf voting for nettiebarron
Colin Prime (1)
The Dread Pirate voting for Warhammer
mbnovak voting for Colin Prime
meat
nettiebarron (1) voting for todahshy
todahshy (1) voting for Warhammer
Warhammer (2) voting for beezypoof
August 30, 2018 at 6:54 pm
Colin Prime
I’m here. I got internet done around 3 and just am taking a break from installing floors. I’ve read through all three days and this is my abbreviated read:
Novak is Mind Eraser and Nettie is Quiet Sunday. I’m not 100% on nettie, but novak makes sense to me. I understand fully this is a flip from what I said earlier, but I’ve read through all days and this is my best read.
day 1 novak is all sorts of trying to be funny, playing with DG but not actually engaging in any meaningful way – perfect wolf/wolf banter. He gets some heat for not really engaging. his banter remains loose and nothing of substance even when the day heats up and actual hunting is going on.
Day 2 novak comes out swinging right away, and as soon as the day starts to heat up he starts pinpointing a few targets – the easiest possible targets to go after. Myself being the main one he’s been harping on. Then, he gets served two drinks. I believe he gets served two, given the plan was for quiet sunday to send him a silence just in case so he could claim villager cred for taking a drink. The thing is, given he got two drinks, he knows the other is from the seer, and that he’s going to show up villager. go back and read his post. it just reeks of wolfy glee at having awesome luck in getting peeked. I’d go so far as to say that he went hard on day two and went weird on day one in order to get peeked.
now, what tipped me back over to this side after thinking he was super clean, one from melissa clearing him and two from his seemingly hunting yesterday and today, was his insistence on going after me. I’ve been all over novak and now he sees his opportunity to knock me out before I have time to get specifics out.
let me address that real quick. There have been many games where I have been busy, but usually have an opportunity to get to my computer for at least an hour or two during the day and again in the evening. He’s not wrong about that. but using my business is exactly what spooky did last game, and I think novak thinks I’m going to flame out again. not this time dude. I’m working from 6am till 12am every day this week to get this house ready, and I think it’s bullshit to use that against me, and I don’t think villager novak does that. In fact I’m positive novak as villager doesn’t do that. I’ve been a wolf a ton, and I’ve used the absent game maybe twice, and it got me killed both times. Novak sees me as an easy target and is using my weakness against me.
ok. Nettie. It struck me right away that nettie is hardly around as well, but with vaguer excuses. This doesn’t seem to bother novak as much, so little in fact that he barely mentions it. this inconsistency tipped me over the edge to see them as the remaining wolves. When I’ve been a wolf with novak he encouraged me to hang back, and I see him doing that with quiet sunday as well. that sides a lot more thin, and I obviously haven’t taken the time to grab time stamps and quotes, but there’s no way I have time for that, so this is what you get.
Ok. I’m on my third of three floors I’m installing today and then I have moulding and then cleaning the whole house so it’s ready for the truck tomorrow. and seriously F U for using this against me. I’ve made it super clear that I wasn’t supposed to close until tomorrow, but here I am and I’m doing my best.
August 30, 2018 at 6:57 pm
mbnovak
The difference is that Nettie being this level of absent doesn’t stand out from her villager game.
August 30, 2018 at 7:00 pm
ash10101
I’d agree on this but it’s also hard to judge if she’s a wolf or not when she’s at this level of absence.
August 30, 2018 at 7:21 pm
mbnovak
I concur. That’s why I’ve not cleared her at all.
August 30, 2018 at 7:11 pm
Colin Prime
I’ve been vanillager three or four times in a row now, and every game get killed because I’m busy and not around enough. it’s getting old. I have explained over and over again what’s going on this game. frankly I’m glad you’re trying to use it against me because it was the proverbial straw that showed me your game. it’s exactly what spooky tried to do last game, you should have thought of that first.
I mean, have you ever remodeled a house? it’s insanely time consuming. Every minute I spend on here is another minute that I don’t get to see my family or sleep. I’m doing a pretty damn good job not losing my shit right now, as pissed off as I am about you harping on my absence, and I told myself that I’m not going to, so, do your worst. I’m over it and back to work.
August 30, 2018 at 7:23 pm
mbnovak
That’s not what Spooky did last game, he berated you and insulted you. I’ve not done that at all. I’ve just pointed out that this level of absence is inconsistent with your previous villager games, and the analysis you’ve engaged in looks different in the two games.
I might well be wrong, but I find you to be a reasonable candidate right now.
August 30, 2018 at 7:02 pm
BigPapaJonTheElf
I agree with you on Nettie. As Walter said to the Dude, “I’ve never been more sure of anything in my life”.
OK, I’m off to set up and run a dance. I’m leaving my vote on Annette.
August 30, 2018 at 7:13 pm
The Dread Pirate
Ok, great post with excellent analysis. Again, the only problem to me is that it focuses almost entirely in Novak with a sprinkle of Nettie missed in. Do you have no suspicions if anyone else? Anyone you think is impeccably clean?
August 30, 2018 at 7:41 pm
Colin Prime
you and toadah seem the most clean to me. followed by BPJTE and SBC and meat, then suspects are ash, warhammer, nettie, novak.
I don’t have time to do more than my best read. I get how lame that it is but it’s the best I have. I can’t keep stopping to read and post, as much as I want to. I like my novak vote.
August 30, 2018 at 7:45 pm
mbnovak
This is absurd. If you think I’m a wolf you should 100% think either (or both) Beezy or meat are clean. Just putting those two in the middle of your list makes no sense. We know DG peeked both of them. He wouldn’t have wasted a peek on two wolves (and if he did, that guarantees I’m clean). Any list that doesn’t acknowledge this is weirdly wolfy.
August 30, 2018 at 7:18 pm
beezypoof
see, this is where shit gets tough for me. what Colin says makes tons of sense to me. so does what Novak says. so how does one choose? personally, as in emotionally i suppose, i want to side with Colin. he, too, is having outside things affect his game, and Matt, just like he did to me, is using that against Colin.
i agree that i recall Colin doing harder analysis in every game i’ve played with him, including the game in which he and i were wolves together (right, we were, weren’t we?). that means as both villager and wolf. his absence sucks, and it could be a play, but i feel saddened that Novak calls me wolf because i’m “pretending” to be confused, and doesn’t lay off until i lay off him. then he backtracks on me, saying i’ve accepted his explanations, so he no longer feels i’m a wolf.
on the other hand, Colin has totally taken me in previous games, and i’ll feel like such an ass if it happens again. but if Novak’s a wolf, and I vote against Colin…i’ll feel personally attacked since he accused me of using MS as a way to win a game.
i don’t know which way to go. someone other than Colin or Novak, tell me what to do. like…maybe Melissa. ha ha.
August 30, 2018 at 7:24 pm
mbnovak
I’m not using your MS! I’m just operating as if you didn’t bring it up. Those are two very very different things.
August 30, 2018 at 8:07 pm
beezypoof
except i said it a million times yesterday, too. that the MS is affecting this game more than in the past. that’s no different than Colin saying house and Melissa saying work and Ash saying school. it’s the thing that most adversely affecting my game. so you can ignore the part about me asking Kelly to take me out, but if you’re not ignoring why they’re saying they’re not at their best, you also are not ignoring mine.
August 30, 2018 at 8:23 pm
beezypoof
i notice you don’t respond to this part, though, yeah? sigh
August 30, 2018 at 8:29 pm
mbnovak
I’m not buying out-of-game excuses. For you, or Colin. I’ve been burned by both of you before. I don’t know what else to say. I’m off of you now, I had more concerns earlier.
August 30, 2018 at 7:48 pm
mbnovak
For what it’s worth, if you’re a villager, you have to admit that your wolf game last time was a flawless pretending to be confused. That’s exactly what I’ve been watching out for.
And the fact that you asked questions, got answers, and then responded in a way that made sense, instead of continuing the confusion… that likely speaks to the fact that you weren’t pretending to be confused. Thus my backing off.
August 30, 2018 at 8:04 pm
beezypoof
but i was only responding to YOU in a way that makes sense, see? it may not make sense to others who continue to suspect you. that was the point i was making.
i promise, though, that i WAS confused during that wolf game. and i’m even more confused during this one.
August 30, 2018 at 8:19 pm
mbnovak
It might not make sense to them. But I’m not them. I’m me, and in my interactions with you I’ve started to get more of a villager sense, and my fears have eased. I’m not doing performance art for the rest of the village here, I’m trying to get a read on you.
August 30, 2018 at 8:21 pm
beezypoof
whatever, Matt. i don’t want to argue this with you. it’s what it felt like to me, and i get to decide how i feel.
August 30, 2018 at 7:48 pm
The Dread Pirate
It doesn’t have be either Novak or Colin during day. Just vote for whomever you feel is wolfiest or who will help you clarify everyone else.
August 30, 2018 at 6:55 pm
Colin Prime
before I get back to work:
vote novak
August 30, 2018 at 7:16 pm
The Dread Pirate
If Nettie is a wolf and Novak is a wolf, would she really start day two with this comment only looking at them?
August 30, 2018 at 7:24 pm
beezypoof
hmm. seems like not, huh? i can see wolf her throwing suspicion on one of them, just so she could go back and say, “look, see, i was accusing someone who we now know was a wolf. i’m villager!” but not both of them. that seems frivolous, i guess, as a wolf.
as a villager…yeah, a person could call out two wolves. or only one (so maybe Novak isn’t wolfy), or none (cuz if she’s villager, she doesn’t know whether DG’s dirty or not.)
you make what seems to be a valid point here, DP. damn, it gets harder and harder.
August 30, 2018 at 7:19 pm
The Dread Pirate
And does Novak make this vote for this articulated reason two hours before the deadline day one:
August 30, 2018 at 7:27 pm
beezypoof
if he’s a wolf? sure he could/would. why not? he’s essentially agreeing to vote with a wolf. that can be a fairly wolfish thing to do.
or do you mean does Novak do that if both he and Nettie are wolves? Prolly not.
August 30, 2018 at 7:29 pm
ash10101
to me, in this circumstance theres no way theyre both wolves
August 30, 2018 at 7:25 pm
nettiebarron
I’m about to get on a boat. End of the month is super busy for me, as Pope wel knows. I’m not super active in werewolf in the best of times. I’m certainly not Novak’s Quiet Sunday and am still very on the fence about the conspiracy theory.
August 30, 2018 at 7:33 pm
mbnovak
Do you have thoughts on either Warhammer or Colin?
August 30, 2018 at 7:37 pm
nettiebarron
I feel like this is villager Colin. Just the right amount surly. Warhammer has me stymied, since I’m still not sure about you.
August 30, 2018 at 7:35 pm
todahshy
I’m not silenced btw. Just visiting with friends who I traveled to go see so time on phone is limited. Trying to catch up bit by bit.
August 30, 2018 at 7:39 pm
The Dread Pirate
Alright, this is probably it for me tonight due to the Fair. Haven’t seen enough reason to move my vote.
August 30, 2018 at 7:46 pm
todahshy
Sorry for the fixation on Novak. I just can’t get by trying to figure out why DG did what he did.
The only explanation I can think is this premade plan to come out if Mind Eraser got served the seer drink.
For others, I can see Annette being dirty.
I’m reading you and Colin clean right now.
Warhammer I lean more villager than dirty despite last night.
Beezy I read clean, as well as BPJtE
Ash I can see being dirty because I never get a good read on Ash in any game.
I’m leaning to vote Novak or Nettie.
Novak if we are right is great if we are wrong it removes the villages focal point and maybe refocuses us elsewhere?
August 30, 2018 at 7:51 pm
The Dread Pirate
I understand that, but Novak has a 90+% chance of being a villager (Pope is the only confirmed villager in my mind). Why risk that small chance for clarity, when a different lynch will also provide some clarity?
August 30, 2018 at 7:52 pm
mbnovak
We should already be focusing in other places. That’s what both Will and I have said all day long.
I was peeked by the village seer Melissa. She saw me as clean. There is like a 10% chance I’m the hidden wolf and like a 90% chance I’m not. Any focus on me is absurd. If we focus on wolfy candidates and we get one, awesome. And if we get the hidden wolf in the process then we also confirm me 100% as clean too.
Meat and I, both peeked by seers, are the least likely candidates. Beezy is probably after that, because DG peeked her too (though see my caveats from earlier).
Our focus should be elsewhere!
August 30, 2018 at 7:54 pm
todahshy
I haven’t voted for you yet. I still don’t think it’s worth pulling the trigger on you. I’ve gotten bad reads on you before that have derailed my game so I’m trying to avoid that.
August 30, 2018 at 7:57 pm
mbnovak
At this point I’m reasonably confident you’re a villager. That said, I’m very curious about your thoughts on Colin Prime, Beezy, and Warhammer.
The fact that you and Will are on Warhammer and you’re the two I trust most right now (apart from meat, but he’s not voting yet), has me tempted to go that way. But I feel way better about Colin, because Warhammer’s theory, while crazy, seemed to be more experimental whereas Colin went whole-hog and put a vote down on one of the two people we shouldn’t be voting for.
August 30, 2018 at 7:59 pm
todahshy
I don’t even think you’re acting Wolfy I just know the crazy schemes you are capable of brewing up as a wolf
August 30, 2018 at 7:41 pm
mbnovak
Meat – I think it is a fair assumption that either you or I will be night killed. Please put down whatever list you’ve got (beyond myself) so we can have a reference. I’m hoping you’re around tonight too.
August 30, 2018 at 7:47 pm
todahshy
Why meat?
August 30, 2018 at 7:48 pm
mbnovak
Because he was peeked by DG on day 1, and there’s no way DG peeks a fellow wolf on day 1, right?
August 30, 2018 at 7:50 pm
todahshy
Oh you said night killed. My bad
August 30, 2018 at 7:54 pm
mbnovak
Ok, I was worried you weren’t following at all.
You seriously gotta set aside the DG fake seer play thing though. DG might well have done it to out the real seer, which probably made sense because I was about to be 90% cleared by the real seer, but also we’d largely decided to not have drinks accepted… it was a calculated play by him to limit the pool of confirmed villagers.
August 30, 2018 at 8:12 pm
todahshy
I really think Colin is surly villager Colin.
Annette and Warhammer are my top two candidates right now.
I’ve only played with Beezy once I have no idea how she acts as a wolf but I get a villager read from her.
August 30, 2018 at 8:47 pm
meat
Novak, you go an say things that I’m like, okay totes this fool isn’t a wolf, and then you say shit that is “I’m totally a fucking wolf”. such as
DG might well have done it to out the real seer, which probably made sense because I was about to be 90% cleared by the real seer, but also we’d largely decided to not have drinks accepted…
We didn’t largely decide to do anything, and then you – who said we all shouldn’t take drinks – went and took both.
This is why people think something is funny with your game. If you’re not lynched today, and I’m the night kill you’ll come back tomorrow and say “see, I told you so, I’m totes totes fucking fuck cleared”*
*but all lawyer like and bullshit.
August 30, 2018 at 7:58 pm
mbnovak
Alright, I gotta go put the kids to bed. I really hope I come back to something sane…
August 30, 2018 at 8:03 pm
todahshy
I think you’ve talked me off the ledge.
Now the question is Nettie or Watchmaker..
August 30, 2018 at 8:09 pm
todahshy
Another quality Warhammer autocorrect!
August 30, 2018 at 8:02 pm
beezypoof
Warhammer hasn’t been here all day. there are enough people who’ve expressed concern about him. maybe we vote there? if he’s gone, we get more information either way. (which can be said for any villager kill, i know, but it’s somewhere to start? or Nettie? or…maybe Colin. he’s not able to be around enough to be much help to the village if he’s a villager, and if he’s a wolf, we’ll have a LOT of information for tomorrow?
what say y’all?
August 30, 2018 at 8:03 pm
todahshy
I can get on board with that. If he’s clean then I think Novak has to be dirty.
August 30, 2018 at 8:10 pm
beezypoof
i agree with that 100 percent.
August 30, 2018 at 8:13 pm
todahshy
Oh I thought you meant Warhammer not Colin. I really feel like Colin is villager Colin.
August 30, 2018 at 8:13 pm
todahshy
But I don’t have confidence in any read right now. DG ruined me.
August 30, 2018 at 8:14 pm
beezypoof
did you read the whole post? ha. i’m find with Watchmaker, too.
August 30, 2018 at 8:17 pm
todahshy
I think Annette has been less helpful than Colin despite his inability to play much. So I try hard Not to use that as a reason (although it was my tiebreaker last night with my Melissa vote and look how that turned out for me…)
August 30, 2018 at 8:17 pm
beezypoof
oh the number of times I’ve said that very same about DG, sigh
August 30, 2018 at 8:42 pm
Warhammer
Not sure I ‘havent been here all day’. I had lots of detailed points (mostly about my crazy Novak theory) before 4:30p….like some others, shit comes up (including my laptop being in a continual state of ‘automatic repair’….whatever that means and I hate trying to read on my phone like I did day 1).
I’ll add one more crazy theory. I think meat might be a wolf (I guess Quiet Sunday). Aren’t we basing DG seeking meat on what DG and meat said? Why couldn’t it have been Ink getting a drink from DG and then the wolves conspiring in night one (and then during day two) to make meat safe in our minds since DG seeres him. He never told us he received a drink, as he doesn’t want to let the wolves know if he thinks he was swerwd by the good seer)
My issue all along has been and continues to be that we are getting lots of statements that require us to believe what we are told (in/by those statements). Those are empty statements in my opinion…good to keep in mind but not good to base our decision on completely….
August 30, 2018 at 8:48 pm
beezypoof
you’re right, just not for a while. my bad.
i’ve had my eyes on meat since day 1, and i’m thrilled you bring this up. seems did Novak and DG both vote Inkarnit? if DG peeked him, knew he was Angelface, why not get us to try to take him out, so they could get a second villager kill overnight. eureka, a little bit, good man!
August 30, 2018 at 8:58 pm
mbnovak
Meat is probably clean because DG was the wolf seer and peeked him day 1. Why would DG peek another wolf on day 1? He wouldn’t. He’d peek a villager. Thus, meat is a villager.
August 30, 2018 at 8:07 pm
meat
reading up, sorry for being not around. real life blows.
August 30, 2018 at 8:11 pm
beezypoof
vote Colin
August 30, 2018 at 8:13 pm
beezypoof
it’ll prolly be a relief to him to not have to worry about this anymore this week, anyway.
August 30, 2018 at 8:32 pm
meat
voting him out because he is busy isn’t really hunting a wolf…
August 30, 2018 at 8:16 pm
beezypoof
unvote Colin
vote Warhammer
August 30, 2018 at 8:33 pm
meat
and you changed your vote before I hit f5.
August 30, 2018 at 8:40 pm
beezypoof
yep, cuz i just think tonight’s vote should go on Colin or Match-sticker or Nettie tonight. i don’t really have huge and strong feels about which, but todah did, so i changed from Colin to Warmonger.
August 30, 2018 at 8:22 pm
ash10101
Sorry I’m back I’m here I’m gonna go make sure I didnt miss anything
August 30, 2018 at 8:31 pm
meat
whats the vote count?
August 30, 2018 at 8:31 pm
beezypoof
Novak, are you willing to change your vote to Watchmaker, Watchmaker, Make Me A Watch?
August 30, 2018 at 8:35 pm
mbnovak
Uh… probably.
I feel pretty good with the idea that there is a wolf between Colin and Warhammer (and possibly both). I feel like Warhammer was sort of foolishly pushing the bad theories earlier today, but his actual actions spoke volumes, as he was just testing them out and actually voting other places. Maybe that’s just a good wolf keeping his options open.
I feel like Colin has been seriously different, and has missed basic things (like, if he thinks I’m a wolf, then either you or meat must be clean… he just lumped the two of you in his middle candidates grouping, which was really odd). Ultimately, I don’t think this is Colin’s villager game. So I prefer that vote, but I can see Wargamer too.
August 30, 2018 at 8:37 pm
mbnovak
I’ve got…
.
.
ash10101
beezypoof (1) voting Warhammer
BigPapaJonTheElf voting for nettiebarron
Colin Prime (1) voting Novak
The Dread Pirate voting for Warhammer
mbnovak (1) voting for Colin Prime
meat
nettiebarron (1) voting for todahshy
todahshy (1) voting for Warhammer
Warhammer (3) voting for beezypoof
August 30, 2018 at 8:42 pm
beezypoof
is someone still on me? i thought you got off me, so i have none now?
August 30, 2018 at 8:45 pm
mbnovak
I’ve been off of you for a long time. Warhammer has not.
August 30, 2018 at 8:43 pm
todahshy
Putrid
August 30, 2018 at 8:43 pm
todahshy
We suck
August 30, 2018 at 8:45 pm
mbnovak
Seriously.
August 30, 2018 at 8:43 pm
spookymilk
Looks the same as mine
August 30, 2018 at 8:38 pm
ash10101
At this point, I’d also be fine with a Colin or Hammer vote. Hammer has been more suspicious to me, but I also can’t really get a read on colin (or annette) when I feel like we havent gotten a ton from them
August 30, 2018 at 8:41 pm
meat
warhammer really jobbed up the shrug vote, and buckled when I pushed him yesterday. I wasn’t a fan, but just now thinking about those two interactions makes me think he’s a confused villager.
. . .
August 30, 2018 at 8:42 pm
ash10101
I can’t tell tbh. Like he’s either a confused villager or a wolf who wants us to think he’s a confused villager. Both seem odd.
August 30, 2018 at 8:38 pm
meat
colin makes a huge post about novak using largely warhammer’s logic ripped from my last post about voting dg. He adds nettie as the third.
Would a wolf make that play? His one and only post of substance using someone else’s theory to justify a vote, and there by exposing himself to lots of scrutiny tomorrow? I’m not sure about that.
the whole day has been about novak and if the wolves could have orchestrated this play. DG and novak are smart players, and will made a good point about not getting too far into the weeds without looking for other candidates.
August 30, 2018 at 8:43 pm
mbnovak
Alright, I’ll drop this here.
Who is almost certainly clean:
Novak
Meat
Pope
Who seems to me to be wolf hunting and likely clean:
DPWY
Todah
Who I’m unsure about, but leaning clean:
Ash
Where I think both of the two wolves are hiding:
Beezy
Colin Prime
Warhammer
Nettie
August 30, 2018 at 8:46 pm
nettiebarron
Why would DG start a Nettie wagon on me Day 1?
Just got off the boat. Now a bus.
August 30, 2018 at 8:48 pm
meat
is your boat a commute thing?
August 30, 2018 at 8:50 pm
nettiebarron
It is.
August 30, 2018 at 8:50 pm
nettiebarron
It is.
August 30, 2018 at 8:51 pm
meat
romantically, I’d like a boat commute, but practically I think it would suck.
August 30, 2018 at 8:53 pm
mbnovak
Hey, my sail up here, buddy.
August 30, 2018 at 8:50 pm
mbnovak
It’s not uncommon for a good wolf to do something like that with a fellow wolf.
August 30, 2018 at 8:47 pm
todahshy
Beezy has tripped me tonight by trying to not take responsibility for a vote but I still think she’s villager right now.
August 30, 2018 at 8:47 pm
ash10101
Beezy’s thing with colin and war is one of the only things shes done thats seemed wolfy to me, but it did seem a bit off
August 30, 2018 at 8:54 pm
beezypoof
are you fucking kidding me? i welcome a vote on me tonight, friends. that way i won’t have to deal with this tomorrow. but you’ll be down one less hunter, even if my hunting hadn’t been astute.
can i vote for myself, or is that against the rules?
August 30, 2018 at 8:57 pm
mbnovak
I’m not saying you’re a wolf here. I’m saying I don’t know, but I feel like those other people in the other groups are probably clean. Obviously 2 of those 4 (or more!) are villagers. That’s how hunting works. You narrow down your pool. My pool isn’t down to just 2 yet…
August 30, 2018 at 8:58 pm
beezypoof
i just looked at the rules, and i can vote for myself. at least it doesn’t say i can’t.
August 30, 2018 at 9:02 pm
beezypoof
you said you were off of me. so don’t patronize me by mansplaining how hunting works, ass.
August 30, 2018 at 8:57 pm
ash10101
I mean I think Colin P did last game, but I’m far from a rules expert so…
August 30, 2018 at 8:50 pm
meat
I think we should off novak and let the wolves take me tonight. That way all the seer picks are dead and the village gets to start clean tomorrow.
August 30, 2018 at 8:52 pm
mbnovak
So. many. bruises. on. my. head. from. banging. it. on. the. desk.
August 30, 2018 at 8:52 pm
ash10101
I take it you don’t love this suggestion?
August 30, 2018 at 8:51 pm
Warhammer
I literally have nowhere to go as it appears pretty certain that an uncertain vote today goes to me. I’m worried that a vote for me doesn’t get us a whole lot closer to who to hang tomorrow. Novak is no more a suitable target because I die – it’s still a 1/9 chance that Mind Eraser Novak was targeted by MelissaD. My only vote that possibly goes somewhere is to throw out a shingle for Novak. I literally have no basis…..I would likely then target meat if you want where my mind is heading before I die. My vanillager status will be clear in about 10 mins, so I wish you all a good game!
unvote beezypoof, vote mbnovak
I don’t necessarily like it, but it’s the only possible vote to keep the noose off me if anyone else is uncertain…
August 30, 2018 at 8:52 pm
mbnovak
Uh, Colin Prime?
August 30, 2018 at 8:57 pm
Warhammer
My problem with the lack of Colin is that he’s a blank page for me. I can’t use previous games to assume what his lack of availability means.
I also feel bad for someone in the middle of construction work…I just finished a floor install and spent most of my non-werewolf hours today installing baseboards…I know how hard it is to multitask with construction work….you get on a roll and just want to keep going!!
August 30, 2018 at 8:51 pm
beezypoof
folks, please see Wars post above, regarding meat and Novak. Interesing. i won’t vote either of them tonight, as this could be just another opportunity for War to get votes off of himself the wolf. but if we kill War tonight, and he’s villager, seems like a pretty decent thing to consider tomorrow.
August 30, 2018 at 8:54 pm
Warhammer
I don’t like people agreeing with me….I assume I’m wrong (as I have been most points so far), in which case someone agreeing with me mist be a wolf….arg!
August 30, 2018 at 8:54 pm
mbnovak
No, war being villager wouldn’t make meat or I any more likely. It just makes us wrong about our read on him (those of us who read him as wolfy, not saying meat is necessarily in that group).
I’ve laid out 4 candidates for 2 wolves. I’m necessarily wrong about at least 2 of them. That doesn’t change the fact that I’m almost certain a villager. Same for meat.
August 30, 2018 at 8:55 pm
mbnovak
Indeed, this smacks of opportunism. If you know War is a villager and now you can use that to set up two other villagers. Ugh…
August 30, 2018 at 8:58 pm
ash10101
I’m gonna vote warhammer A lot of what he’s said has felt a bit like that thing where you throw pasta at the wall and see what sticks but in like, “What idea wont make me look wolfish” form. I also thought his “I literally have nowhere to go” comment was Odd, cause like, there were other people with votes when he said that
August 30, 2018 at 8:58 pm
meat
I’ve got no good reads on anyone really.
I can’t see colin making a wolf play like his today. Is he busy in real life? Maybe. I certainly am, and wasn’t a good participant today. so, /shrug/
SCB – I’m feeling like she’s not going to play her condition for sympathy. So, I feel like she’s clean
Novak – I love a good plot twist. He and dg cooking this shit up? Totes believe it’s possible
Nettie > ? totes a question mark
Ash – who the fuck knows
Warroom – shrug was totes suspicious, and is he reading my mind though the novak conspiracy? or is he using what I wrote to sow doubt? I have no idea. I also don’t care for the way he buckled when I shouted at him.
willyoung – seems in it with good reads and analysis. I always read him as a wolf, but he’s not here tonight. (and I’d like to be at the fair tonight instead of sweating my balls off in new orleans).
fatherjohnmistypope – dunno with this guy, might be hunting might not.
Todah is always going to be suspicious to me too. no read.
August 30, 2018 at 9:00 pm
mbnovak
Thanks for the list. Pope’s vote on DG in the extra time should clear him almost 100%.
August 30, 2018 at 8:59 pm
meat
vote novak
becasue I can see them cooking this up.
August 30, 2018 at 9:00 pm
beezypoof
unvote Warhammer
vote Beezy
August 30, 2018 at 9:00 pm
Warhammer
I wish you all well…….just don’t believe Novak and meat are the cleanest of the clean….I don’t buy it!!!
August 30, 2018 at 9:00 pm
mbnovak
Unvote Colin Prime
Vote Warhammer
August 30, 2018 at 9:00 pm
ash10101
Wtf are the voting counts here
August 30, 2018 at 9:01 pm
Inkarnit
IT IS NIGHT
August 30, 2018 at 9:02 pm
meat
but, we killed your ass. WTF with the game /smileemoji/
August 30, 2018 at 9:06 pm
Inkarnit
ash10101 voting Warhammer
beezypoof (1) voting for beezy
BigPapaJonTheElf voting for nettiebarron
Colin Prime voting Novak
The Dread Pirate voting for Warhammer
mbnovak (3) voting for Warhammer
meat voting for Novak
nettiebarron (1) voting for todahshy
todahshy (1) voting for Warhammer
Warhammer (4) voting for Novak
I think this is right?
August 30, 2018 at 9:07 pm
spookymilk
It is, thanks. Had a late work issue
August 30, 2018 at 9:15 pm
spookymilk
There was cause for great celebration in the village! The mod had reached his three-day weekend. As for the lynch, hmm. There was less reason to celebrate. It almost went into overtime again, but it wasn’t to be. Perhaps most importantly, the mod was in the car with his wife and couldn’t focus on flavor text. Anyway, Warhammer was a villager.
Wolves, do a thing.