HALL OF CHAMPIONS
SPOOKYMILK SURVIVOR
I: Rachel “The Double-Dealer” Flynn
II: Ryan “The Snake” Fossum
III: Patrick “The Gentleman” Kozicky
IV: Brienne “The Submitter” Maner
V: Rusty “The Porn Star” Greene
VI: Brooks “The Unlikely Hero” Maki
VII: William “The Soulful” Schuth
VIII: Brooks “The Survivor” Maki
IX: Zack “The Ice Cream Man” Sauvageau
X: Pete “The Vacuum Cleaner” Bruzek
Turbo: Brooks “The 1956-1979 Montreal Canadiens” Maki
XI: Matt “The Cold-Hearted Motherf*&^er” Novak
All-Stars (XII): Andy “The Quiet Man” Rustleund
XIII: Sarah “Clarence’s Hope” Bizek
XIV: Dan “The Professional” Kautz
XV: Christina “Assault And” Pepper
XVI: Matt “The First-Time Player” Novak
XVII: Stacy “Saintly Patience” Snell
XVIII: Brian “Checkmate” David
XIX: Annette “Eammon for the Top” Barron
XX: Daniel “Neville “Smash “Hardware” Hardwood” Longbottom” Caouette
XXI: Pete “The Comeback Kid” Bruzek
XXII: Dan “The Even More Professional” Kautz
XXIII: Melissa “Don’t You (Forget About Me)” David
XXIV: Stacy “Fucking” Snell
GODS AND MORTALS
I: Dragging Rivet’s Name Through the Mud One Last Time: Matt Novak (Ultragrandpa) and Michael Rivet (Friph Flipher-Fiph)
II: Bahambo Number 5: Pete “Triple Crown” Bruzek and Michelle “Single Tiara…So Far” Pratt
BIG BROTHER
I: Brooks “Oh, for the Love of God” Maki
II: Michael “#DDB” Rivet
III: Pete “Fortune’s Fool” Bruzek
IV: Erin “All Seven and We’ll Watch Them Fall” Leslie
V: Jake “Littlefinger” Elliott
FALL, CAESAR
2014: Brooks “The Creator” Maki
2015: Matt “The Artist” Novak
2016: Matt “Waited Them Out” Novak
2017: Annette “I Would’ve Voted for You” Barron
THE ROYAL RUMBLE
2013: #21 Greg “The Gallant Glutton of Greatness” Johnson
2014: #29 Jonathon “Big Papa” Pope
2015: #8 Christina “Am I in This?” Pepper
2016: #22 Annette “No Backs Stabbed” Barron
2017: #30 Bernice “The Vulture” Nicaise
2018: #17 Carrie “Solid Gold” Bard
2019: #16 Jake “The Jabroni” Elliott
PLAY WITH THE PROSE
(Writing, non-elimination)
I: Sarah “Centipede Face” Johnson
II: Sarah “The Johnson Eliminator” Wreisner
III: Colin “Lonely Old Moon” Woolston
IV: Melissa “Not Sidebar Material” Diamond
V: Sama “No Family Reunions” Smith
VI: Sarah “Tumor Face” Wreisner
VII: John “Cult Following” Wreisner
VIII: Joshua “Peed the Bed” Longman
VIII: Annette “Oh, Right, That’s Who Won” Barron
WEREWOLF (most recent)
Werewolf Stats Spreadsheet
PUZZLE CHALLENGE
I (Pure): Matthew “The Obsessor” Gilman
I (Power): Kelly “The Novak-Destroyer” Wells
DIPLOMACY
I: Matt “Exploiter of Worlds” Novak (France)
Casa de Leche 
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June 4, 2013 at 9:35 am
bhiggum
Woo! We got a wolf!
I’m in early today to make up for being late yesterday.
June 4, 2013 at 9:51 am
Grey
I’m not sure how I feel about going on with the wolf taking the wind out of my sails with that kill.
As you wish, William. As you wish…
June 4, 2013 at 9:51 am
kg2005
That was fun. I completely flaked out all day yesterday only to swoop in at the last second and vote out a wolf.
June 4, 2013 at 9:53 am
mbnovak
That was quite awesome. Also, I’m not dead, so that’s nice. Thanks!
June 4, 2013 at 10:03 am
kg2005
DG was doing this weird thing where he was so sure of your innocence. Then he proclaimed that he wouldn’t change his vote in the tie breaker. I don’t think he’s ever screamed “I’m a wolf!” so loudly, and that’s saying something.
June 4, 2013 at 10:18 am
kg2005
Because he often literally yells “I’m a wolf”. I was trying to make a joke if that wasn’t clear.
What I’m trying to say is that’s the first time I’ve ever noticed uncalculated wolfiness from DG.
June 4, 2013 at 10:20 am
mbnovak
For what it’s worth, I think this pretty much exonerates you. I mean, it is possible that it was a brilliant freaking wolf move, and you bought yourself some credit, but… I’m gonna say you’re clean.
In fact, I kind of doubt any wolves were in on the vote for DG. My list of suspects is pretty much, in no particular order:
Colin
Melissa
meat
June 4, 2013 at 10:27 am
Grey
This could be the wolfiest thing you’ve ever said.
June 4, 2013 at 10:37 am
kg2005
Let’s not go that far, Grey. Though I haven’t ruled out Novak either.
June 4, 2013 at 10:43 am
mbnovak
Yeah, naturally, I’m not ruled out for anyone but myself.
But seriously, it is unlikely a wolf puts a vote on DG, especially with plenty of cover to vote for me. And they don’t leave it on DG once there’s a tie in the overtime. There’s plenty of reason to move the vote, keep a wolf alive, etc. I had 4 on me and no one jumped, which tells me the other wolf was either not around or already had a vote on me. That leaves those 3 candidates.
June 4, 2013 at 10:48 am
kg2005
I agree that it’s probably one of those three or you. It’s nice to be able to eliminate different groupings trying to obfuscate themselves since there’s only one left.
June 4, 2013 at 10:51 am
mbnovak
Also, meat was actually around at the end last night (despite earlier indicating he’d be leaving), and didn’t put a vote down on either DG or myself. I think if he’s a wolf he would have switched to me. He’s way down the list for me after Melissa and Grey.
June 4, 2013 at 10:25 am
The Dread Pirate
*** DEAD ***
By Friday afternoon!
*** REDEADED ***
June 4, 2013 at 10:59 am
kg2005
Quick rundown.
bhiggum – Could have taken down Novak, didn’t. I just don’t see a great reason for that to happen if he’s a wolf.
Grey – No read on him. He’s in my top two.
mbnovak – Would be quite the duo. Leaning towards it not being him right now. Especially since he could have rallied against Melissa, but chose to go after DG instead. Perfectly capable of this, but for a couple of other reasons I don’t think it’s him.
meat – Do not think it’s meat. Specifically for the “interesting…” comment he left for me last night. He’s right, it was interesting, but if he was a wolf, he just saw me vote out the other wolf, so probably not that interesting to him.
MelissaD – A subset of the last group of wolves as a wolf again? My money says: maybe. In my top two.
The Reverend – I often wonder about how much rookie wolves get coached, but in the past DG has let his noobs play. Especially with the late hop on, I don’t think it’s the Rev.
June 4, 2013 at 11:13 am
mbnovak
It seems weird how few people there are on day 2, huh?
June 4, 2013 at 11:19 am
kg2005
Indeed. If it is Melissa or Grey it will end up being the most straightforward game that’s been played since… ever?
June 4, 2013 at 11:28 am
mbnovak
Yeah. I’m very much ok with that.
June 4, 2013 at 11:20 am
bhiggum
I mostly like your list, kg.
I’m curious about Grey and The Rev first, then meat and novak, then kg and melissa.
I don’t see nearly as much wolfy about melissa as novak and kg do, which makes me wonder if I’m missing something.
I think Grey and Rev probably gave us the least info to work with for today, which is why I’m most curious about them.
June 4, 2013 at 11:22 am
kg2005
Melissa is process of elimination. As of 9:00 yesterday I bought everything she said about Novak.
June 4, 2013 at 11:29 am
mbnovak
Vote Grey
Because he’s one of my top 2 candidates, and that unclosed bold tag and not jumping back in at all last night sit poorly with me.
June 4, 2013 at 11:47 am
bhiggum
You think he’s playing the disinterested wolf card? I remember him doing that before- I gave him a pass that time because I couldn’t see a wolf being that laid-back and quiet.
June 4, 2013 at 11:51 am
mbnovak
Given that I think KG is clean, and I know I am, it’s pretty much a cinch that whoever is the last wolf is playing the “disinterested” card… not a lot of chatter from anyone else.
Last night he put down the vote on me, had an excuse about using his phone, and just left it there. He had an unclosed bold tag which “proved” how bad it was posting on the phone. It didn’t sit well with me. I could be reading into something that was nothing, but it just smelled funny to me.
June 4, 2013 at 11:59 am
bhiggum
Without some serious wolf-hunting or a seer claim from Grey, I think that’s where my vote is going in a couple hours.
June 4, 2013 at 11:48 am
MelissaD
One down. One to go.
Also, the more I think about it, the more Meat’s comment about the Reverend possibly being the Seer makes sense to me. For what that’s worth.
Thirdly, I’m in a training all day so have limited access to the Internet until near the end of today.
June 4, 2013 at 12:31 pm
mbnovak
Understanding your limited access, I’d love to hear your thoughts…
June 4, 2013 at 12:23 pm
spookymilk
I’m gone for about 45 minutes or so. I’m not too worried about it.
At a little after 3pm Central I’ll be gone for the rest of the day. It’s the only time (even if we go the max) that I won’t be around at the end. However, I’ll have two flavor texts ready to be copied in and will do my damnedest to get it posted as soon as I can after the deadline.
What I need is for someone to update voting every hour on the hour; more if necessary, and less if nothing’s changing. Hopefully overtime won’t be necessary, but if it is, you know how it works.
For safety, I may talk to DG and see if he can post flavor text at the end in case I can’t get away from what I’m doing.
June 4, 2013 at 12:30 pm
mbnovak
Eh… I’m good ending the day by then, if others are.
June 4, 2013 at 12:44 pm
Grey
so wolfy
June 4, 2013 at 12:45 pm
daneekasghost
**DEAD**
At work from 330 to 830, so updates would be tough. Can certainly do flavor text, though.
**DEAD**
June 4, 2013 at 12:44 pm
Grey
Novak your reasoning for having me on top of your list is that I wasn’t around last night? I made it pretty clear where I was and what I was doing, and that I wouldn’t be available for the end of the night. I liked my vote, and you were wolfy in my opinion yesterday. I still think you are as you are going pretty aggressively on me for early day two. I think the wolf needs a villager kill today and if you can work some suspicion up on me (which you’re doing well at so far) than you have an easy kill.
Villager Novak likes to see someone come and defend themselves before going for the kill. Wolf Novak just wants the easy kill.
I can’t argue that one couldn’t find suspicion in my play yesterday, but taking it this far this early in the day isn’t a good play for a villager. A good villager play is to ask for reasoning or explanation. Novak you’re a pretty good player at this game and I don’t see you being this aggressive as a villager.
vote novak
p.s. html from a phone while on a treadmill is wicked hard. it took me over five minutes to write that post.
June 4, 2013 at 12:53 pm
mbnovak
Knowing that I’m clean, I figure it’s got to be someone who was not on DG last night. There is absolutely 0 reason for a fellow wolf to let DG die there. That doesn’t mean it’s you, but it puts you on the list.
I still think Melissa feels very wolfy too. Her game seems very similar to the first time she played, and she was a wolf there. I don’t have much comparison for her beyond that though, so… tough to read.
I don’t mean to be pushing you exclusively over her, but I do mean to suggest that my list has the two of you at the tip top, meat way down, and higgs way down after that.
June 4, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Grey
unvote novak
I’m going to regret this, but Higgs, you’re looking more wolfy than novak to me at the moment. Coming in under his early aggression on me and feeding it is exactly what a wolf would do.
June 4, 2013 at 1:41 pm
mbnovak
I’m bored.
June 4, 2013 at 1:53 pm
meat
Well, that’s nothing new.
June 4, 2013 at 1:45 pm
meat
Yo! I’m here for a bit then I’m going to be off line for a while while at work and then dinner / gym. I’ll be back in a bit after review with some thoughts.
June 4, 2013 at 1:54 pm
mbnovak
I’m eager to have something else to read.
June 4, 2013 at 1:57 pm
meat
Of the folks remaining I’d like to hear from Mellisa and the rev most. Particularly, I’d like to have the rev explain his dropped comment about voting Novak late last night. And I’d like to have an explanation of his voting.
Grey and Novak’s sparring is interesting, but I think it’s likely two villagers picking nits.
Kg, it was an interesting play. Bold, nay crazy bold, for a wolf, or a crazy good read. I’m not sure which.
Bhiggs, no idea.
June 4, 2013 at 2:08 pm
MelissaD
What would you like to hear from me? I’m on lunch but heading back into training here in a few minutes. I’ll try to answer your questions later.
The Reverends comment on Novak was him joking around. He didn’t realize it was a faux pas to insinuate we were colluding. He is now aware. I wouldn’t read anything into that except that he’s a trickster. He’s like that in every game we play and takes pride in it. Also, since he never answered it, I will: He is not a noob to Werewolf.
June 4, 2013 at 2:15 pm
mbnovak
Could you put together some suspicions please?
June 4, 2013 at 9:12 pm
thereverendsmith
I confirm Melissa’s statement, I was just joking, I apologize for that.
I have no good explanation for my votes last night. Last game that was played I heard bits and pieces, but I have no clue who anyone else or how they normally play. So, other than trying to have some fun as the reverend. I was just guessing.
June 4, 2013 at 1:59 pm
meat
vote the rev
I’m posting from my phone while walking in the French quarter. It’s not that hard.
I’m interested in applying a little pressure
June 4, 2013 at 2:06 pm
mbnovak
If there were more than 1 wolf left, I could see this. But I don’t see his vote on DG otherwise.
That said… seriously Rev, we usually try to post some helpful comments from time to time on the site… letting us know your game play history, etc., could be helpful…
June 4, 2013 at 9:14 pm
thereverendsmith
Sorry again about not posting much,
I’ve played a fair amount of werewolf, but it’s been a while, and never online.
So, it’s generally faster
June 4, 2013 at 2:09 pm
kg2005
At this point I’m pretty certain that it’s Grey. Just throwing that out there.
June 4, 2013 at 2:12 pm
mbnovak
Obviously I’m there with you, but I’m curious about the rest of your suspicions. You’re either the boldest wolf ever (highly doubtful) or the most obvious villager ever (almost certain) so… hearing more of your thoughts could be helpful, if we don’t get the wolf today.
June 4, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Grey
oh my god this is such a set up. Dude I’m about 90% certain the wolf is you at this point.
June 4, 2013 at 2:28 pm
kg2005
He seems to be panicking a bit. While we try to narrow down our list of suspects, he’s trying to keep suspicion on everyone (like you and bhiggs).
June 4, 2013 at 2:30 pm
mbnovak
Yeah. I think this really might just be that straightforward.
June 4, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Grey
This statement doesn’t even make sense. “While we are trying to narrow down…”? I’ve named two people today that I’m suspicious of, with excellent reasons for doing so. how is that putting suspicion on everyone?
June 4, 2013 at 5:53 pm
kg2005
Because we’ve given good reason for why it wouldn’t make sense for them to be wolves, and you’ve kind of ignored those reasons.
June 4, 2013 at 3:17 pm
bhiggum
So, I’ll go through and double-check voting and timestamps from yesterday (yay for a short, quiet day!) to see if anything else stands out, but are we planning on trying to wrap up today by 3 pm or so?
June 4, 2013 at 3:19 pm
mbnovak
I don’t see much reason not to, except that we haven’t heard from the Rev at all. Somehow doubt we’ll get much more from people though.
June 4, 2013 at 3:27 pm
kg2005
I sure would like to hear from Grey again.
June 4, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Grey
What would you like to hear?
June 4, 2013 at 5:05 pm
kg2005
Who do you suspect the most at this point?
June 4, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Grey
Novak, clearly.
June 4, 2013 at 3:39 pm
bhiggum
Reverend
11:47 AM novak voted for him
1:48 PM novak unvoted
4:40 PM The Rev shows up for the first time
5:21 PM Melissa voted for him
9:11 PM Melissa unvoted
9:34 PM meat votes for him
9:40 PM DG unvotes meat, votes Rev
9:51 PM Rev unvotes Melissa D, though I can’t find that he ever voted for her
9:59 PM Rev votes Melissa D again
10:00 PM after a few false starts, unvotes Melissa, votes DG
10:01 PM DG calls Rev a wolf – https://spookymilk.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/werewolf-xxi-day-one/#comment-47533
I did this one mostly for fun- since there’s no way that DG, novak and the rev are all wolves, I don’t see how The Rev could be with that last second vote for a wolf.
June 4, 2013 at 4:13 pm
bhiggum
I think this holds for kg, too- as the vote switch from novak to DG in overtime, he’s cleared his name for now. I’m not ruling it out as a giant brass wolf-balls ploy, but with only two wolves, I don’t see him pulling an early sacrifice.
June 4, 2013 at 4:15 pm
mbnovak
Exactly. He’s the cleanest there is right now to me. If we get to the last day and he’s still around, we’ll talk about it. But for today, he’s a terrible lynching.
June 4, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Grey
How is this a giant brass balls play? If I were a wolf and I saw my fellow wolf going down I would certainly jump on that train to clear myself.
June 4, 2013 at 5:42 pm
bhiggum
DG and novak were tied. KG was already voting for novak- he could have just sat there and let it go to a coin flip- that’s how I would have played it, anyhow. A 50/50 shot at keeping both wolves alive versus one wolf sacrificing the other? The sacrifice seems way riskier to me, especially knowing that a lot of us aren’t going to clear him just because of that move- we’ve seen similar things before.
June 4, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Grey
This makes more sense to me.
June 4, 2013 at 4:17 pm
spookymilk
I’m out, guys. Someone keep track of votes if it ever becomes necessary. Right now it’s Novak for Grey and meat for Rev.
June 4, 2013 at 4:58 pm
bhiggum
MelissaD
11:59 AM votes for novak
3:09 PM kg2005 votes for her
5:26 PM unvotes novak, votes The Rev
5:40 PM novak unvotes bhiggum, votes Melissa
6:55 PM Grey votes her
7:20 PM Rev votes for her (putting her one away from majority)
7:30 PM KG unvotes her (also has votes on her from Grey, Rev and novak)
9:11 PM unvotes Rev, votes for novak
9:58 PM DPWY unvotes her, votes DG
9:58 PM Novak unvotes her, votes DG
9:59 PM Rev votes for her
10:01 PM Rev unvotes her, votes DG
Interesting that there was a huge vote swing from Melissa to DG, yet she didn’t jump in and put a vote on him to save herself- her last post before the deadline was at 9:52 pm. She posted at 10:09, but nothing in overtime of any substance.
June 4, 2013 at 5:07 pm
mbnovak
I can see a Melissa vote too. Those two are far and away the two that make the most sense.
June 4, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Grey
So, Kg, your sudden certainty is a little jarring. You’ve seemed clean so far, but that’s a weird statement coming from your early half-committed suspicion of me.
Novak I hear what you’re saying, but you are SO eager to get the day over with by killing me. That is not a villager play.
Higs, you’re backing down after following Novak’s lead makes you look pretty suspicious. I’m still thinking these are the two top suspects for me today.
And to answer the accusation that I’m panicking and trying to put suspicion on everyone: The first thing I read this morning was that this was going to be a straightforward day where Grey gets killed. That’s a perfect scenario for a wolf. Not to mention that the reasoning behind it was so flimsy. I made it very clear that I wasn’t going to be around. I didn’t vote for DG because I didn’t see a reason to. Novak and Melissa looked the most wolfy to me, so I voted for Novak. I couldn’t keep up very well while I was at the gym and so be it. There are always people not around at the deadline. Using that as a reason to go after me is super flimsy, especially that everyone on here except the noobs know that I have kids and am almost always gone in the evenings. Novak knows that and Higgs knows that. That makes them look suspicious to me.
To follow up on the statement that my death is a perfect scenario for the wolf: If we don’t take a harder look at what’s happened so far, and take a more rational approach, we are going to fall into the trap that the village always falls into. The wolves find a villager target and put suspicion on them, and then create an argument centered around that kill that puts blame on other villagers. This way they look like they’re hunting wolves when in truth they are pitting villagers against villagers. I think that’s what’s happening here and I think either Novak or Higgs are orchestrating it, or one of the more silent players is the wolf and they are just sitting back and loving it.
June 4, 2013 at 5:44 pm
mbnovak
You frequently see wolf in me, so I’m not too worried about that. And I’m often willing to accommodate an earlier day – that’s not unusual for my villager game at all.
What I’m concerned about is that you aren’t engaging the argument that the other wolf wouldn’t have been on DG last night. There was more than enough cover for them to vote for me instead, especially when we got down to the 4-4 tie in overtime. So either they weren’t around last night or they were in on me or I’m the other wolf. I know I’m not a wolf, so I have to figure the other wolf has to be someone who wasn’t around or someone who was voting for me (it is also possible that someone like meat could be the wolf, since his vote was on “other” but… if he was a wolf, the better play would have been to just kill me).
That leaves you and Melissa as the best candidates.
We’re not playing a normal day 2 here… we have very very good info to go on from last night’s vote.
June 4, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Grey
I most definitely have engaged the argument re: voting last night. I wholeheartedly disagree that last night was telling. It was a night one vote, regardless of what you read into it. I still don’t see why it’s so obvious that DG was a wolf. He always plays that wolfy, whether he is or not. I feel like that argument is equivalent to results = causation. So he turned out to be a wolf. You’re taking that and making definitive arguments with it, and that is NOT something a villager does. I admire your focus but if you’re a villager than you are way off track.
You’re not listening very well to my statements, I feel, and that’s not like you. I feel pretty strongly that you’re the other wolf here, and I think that’s why you’re working so hard to keep the suspicion on me.
June 4, 2013 at 8:30 pm
mbnovak
I’m not saying it was obvious DG was a wolf last night. It wasn’t at all. I’m just saying that there was a very tight vote, and that at some point it was 4-4, and anyone who jumps off of DG and onto me kills a villager. The fact that it didn’t happen means the wolves are probably not in the group of people voting DG.
June 4, 2013 at 9:14 pm
Grey
This makes way better sense
June 4, 2013 at 8:36 pm
mbnovak
I should also say, something about this post makes me read villager Grey. I’m now leaning towards Melissa. Especially after reading her post below too…
June 4, 2013 at 5:46 pm
mbnovak
I’m heading out for a while. Absent a seer claim, I’m planning on sticking on Grey. Melissa also works for me (she’s been gone – with reason, but still… which could be a good play for the last wolf, but… I still think Colin is the better target).
June 4, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Grey
I’m not the seer.
June 4, 2013 at 5:48 pm
bhiggum
Vote- MelissaD
There are two good reasons for a wolf with a bunch of votes on them to not vote for someone else late in the day when there’s a big voting swing- either the wolf isn’t around, or the votes are swinging to the other wolf. I can’t say for sure that’s what happened yesterday, but between that and her reluctance to talk about The Rev’s prior werewolf/Mafia experience, something seems off. I’m willing to go with this for now.
June 4, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Grey
For what it’s worth, you’ve cleared yourself pretty well with your analysis and more rational take on the day and the voting last night.
I’m pretty sold on Novak. I didn’t like the way he played yesterday, and his eagerness to move the day forward with killing me push me toward the tipping point, and his set up here: https://spookymilk.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/werewolf-xxi-day-two/#comment-47606
just stinks of wolf play.
I’m going to go make dinner for the family and then do bath and bed time with the kids and then I’ll be back around 8 or 8:30 for the duration.
June 4, 2013 at 6:43 pm
meat
Yeah, moving the day ahead is a boneheaded decision for the village, especially on the second day. Suspicious, indeed.
June 4, 2013 at 8:34 pm
mbnovak
Go look at almost any of my previous villager games. I’m usually open to it if I think we’ll learn more from the vote than we will from the rest of the day. That’s how I felt today. I didn’t make a big push, just said I was open to it.
June 4, 2013 at 9:29 pm
meat
I didn’t say that you weren’t open to it, just that it’s boneheaded.
June 4, 2013 at 6:19 pm
meat
Where is the rev in all this?
June 4, 2013 at 6:41 pm
meat
I’m back home for a minute before I head to the gym / dinner. I’m less inclined to off the rev immediately, but seriously we haven’t heard a peep from him all day. We’ve allowed ourselves to be duped by the silent villager way too many times for me to ignore the silent play as a wolf strategy.
The cleanest looking players at the moment are Bhiggs and kg
Grey has constantly been on the defensive, but that my be because Novak has been riding him like the town bicycle.
Novak seems “helpful”, but all I see is him picking scabs. He’s on track to kill Melissa because her game is similar to the one where she was a wolf, but would also be cool killing grey. I don’t get a lot of substance from his posts.
Melissa hasn’t offered much in the way of her opinion of anyone else save to say that the rev is a trickster. Nothing to read makes forming an opinion of her game harder.
June 4, 2013 at 7:14 pm
Grey
Probably the most non-wolfy post of the game… which is helpful.
I’d be happier hearing more from the Rev and Melissa, but that aside I think Novak is a wolf. He’s not actively hunting for a wolf, he’s just trying to get people offed. He set me up last night and then went after me today while leaving the door open for Melissa and also setting up tomorrow ( as I posted earlier)
June 4, 2013 at 8:46 pm
mbnovak
Oh, but I am trying to hunt for a wolf. I’ve narrowed it down by process of elimination to you and Melissa, because of what I know about the DG vote last night (namely, that I’m a villager). I took a stab at you today, and you’ve parried it. Now reading Melissa’s post below, she seems like she’s trying to do this “look there’s a case against Novak, and there’s a case against the Rev, and you guys fill in the blanks…” thing. I see her as slightly more wolfy than you now, knowing full well I’m voting for one of you tonight, and if I get it wrong, the other tomorrow.
June 4, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Grey
vote Novak
I’ll be back in an hour and a half or so.
June 4, 2013 at 7:39 pm
MelissaD
Novak wanted my suspicions, but I don’t think he’ll like it. I have two top contenders, and I am more conflicted on one than the other.
My contenders:
1. Novak — He’s throwing everybody off by saying that the second wolf wouldn’t go in on a DG vote. However, when I was a noob, and he and I and DG were wolves, they advised that putting a vote on another wolf can give you “wolf hunter cred” later on. In other words, I am not putting aside the possibility that the second wolf jumped on the DG bandwagon to throw everybody off. In our wolfy game, there were several times when we each voted for each other early in the day or at random moments, just to throw others off our path. It makes sense, too, if the wolf appears to be going down anyway. So I can see Novak doing that here. Novak also jumped on ME pretty quick this game, claiming I have a “wolfy” game despite not having a real comparison there. I felt like that was an easy way to immediately divert attention and to make an early accusation seem more logical.
2. The Rev — He seems wolfy, but I’m torn because he could also be the seer. Like I said, Meat’s argument about The Rev’s “God will point out the wolf to me” mumbo-jumbo did sound like one way of revealing he was a seer. At the same time, though, his votes seemed random. He seemingly voted for me out of annoyance that I voted for him (if I know him at all…which I like to think I do). He voted for DG last minute, but once again, there’s the possibility he saw him going down and decided to put in the Credible Wolf Hunter vote. I don’t know why he hasn’t said anything today, either, other than to keep himself out of the fray. I know he doesn’t have access to a computer while he works, but he does at break times and lunch time and is typically typing away on it.
If it’s not Novak or the Rev, I’m stumped. Everybody else has given me less to go on — despite Novak’s insistence on Grey. I don’t see the Grey implications right now. And I’m not just making up for not giving Colin a gold in the final PwtP round.
June 4, 2013 at 8:43 pm
mbnovak
I like this just fine. I’m not throwing anybody off by saying the second wolf wouldn’t got in on a DG vote – the logic is pretty obvious:
There was a tie vote between DG and myself, just one vote from a (locked-in) majority. I know I’m a villager. That means all it takes is for one of the other players to switch off of DG (or off of Rev, if it’s meat) to secure a village kill and protect a wolf. There’s only 2 wolves in the game, so losing one puts the wolves just a seer peek/good day of hunting away from losing. In games where there are more, sure you’ll go for the cred if it looks like a wolf is going down. But in these circumstances, if a wolf doesn’t have to go down, you make sure they don’t – especially when you won’t lose credibility because, you know… it’s already a tie vote.
Thus, since no one switched onto me when I had 4 votes I know that one of the wolves must have already been voting for me. That makes DG, Colin and Melissa. DG is dead. So it’s between the two of you.
After seeing your approach on this issue… yeah, I’m gonna say it’s more likely you than Colin.
June 4, 2013 at 9:10 pm
MelissaD
I don’t understand what “approach” you feel I’m using. I also don’t understand what’s “wolfy” about said approach. You keep saying I’m acting wolfy because I seem to be doing what I did in the last game, but you haven’t explained 1) what was “wolfy” about my last game, and 2) how what I’m doing now is similar. Saying my game is similar this time around is just a blanket statement. You’re utilizing the only thing you know about me as a crutch.
June 4, 2013 at 9:37 pm
mbnovak
Well yesterday I put together other things on you, like the fact that you didn’t give us info on the Rev. What was wolfy about your last game was that you were a wolf – I saw up close the way you play when you are a wolf. No one has seen your villager game, so either they are remarkably similar, and we’re all learning that for the first time or you’re playing similarly because you’re a wolf.
June 4, 2013 at 8:39 pm
bhiggum
My wild guesses at current vote tally-
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bhiggum voting for MelissaD
Grey voting for mbnovak
kg2005
mbnovak (1)
meat voting for thereverendsmith
MelissaD (1)
thereverendsmith (1)
We going until 9 PM? So, uh, a while until night.
June 4, 2013 at 9:06 pm
mbnovak
10 p.m. tonight, btw.
June 4, 2013 at 8:44 pm
mbnovak
Unvote Grey
Vote MelissaD
Naturally, as soon as Higgs puts up the vote total.
June 4, 2013 at 9:15 pm
bhiggum
You waited to do that, didn’t you?
June 4, 2013 at 8:46 pm
mbnovak
In and out until the kids go to bed.
June 4, 2013 at 8:56 pm
MelissaD
vote novak
June 4, 2013 at 9:02 pm
thereverendsmith
I apologize for not being here. I had a meeting that lasted forever.
Who’s got a quick recap of events?
June 4, 2013 at 9:11 pm
MelissaD
I know you can read. I’ve seen you do it.
June 4, 2013 at 9:21 pm
bhiggum
I think the vote total is the best I can do for a recap. So far it looks like a novak/melissa choice for the lynching tonight, but that has a tendency to change in a hurry.
June 4, 2013 at 9:20 pm
thereverendsmith
So I replied to earlier posts from people, which I probably should have just done down here at the end. So I’ll just dump them here
I confirm Melissa’s statement about last night, I was just joking, I apologize for that.
I have no good explanation for my votes last night. Last game that was played I heard bits and pieces, but I have no clue who anyone else or how they normally play. So, other than trying to have some fun as the reverend. I
I’ve played a fair amount of werewolf, but it’s been a while, and never online.
So, it’s generally faster and you have much less time to read into things
June 4, 2013 at 9:24 pm
bhiggum
I really need to play this in person sometime. I like being able to go back and re-read and research, but I’d guess be able to hear intonation and see body language would make this a much, much different game.
June 4, 2013 at 9:28 pm
meat
I’m smelling a casa de leche caucus / game night. Y’all are welcome in the quarter.
June 4, 2013 at 9:29 pm
MelissaD
Playing in person is pretty great. We’ve played it live many times…including at our wedding reception. At that time, we had more than 20 people involved, which was a riot. Almost literally.
It’s also harder for people to get REALLY worked up when it’s live. You can see people’s faces and know when they’re not being intentionally mean or vindictive. The Interwebs make it harder to know if people are truly pissed off about what’s going on.
June 4, 2013 at 10:20 pm
The Dread Pirate
*** DEAD ***
I just found out that my co-worker used to organize giant games while she was in law school and she said she would work to get one going after work one of these days. Needless to say, I’m excited.
*** REDEADED ***
June 4, 2013 at 9:27 pm
meat
Reading back I’m feeling a change of heart. Grey was way, way too quick to declare my post as, “Probably the most non-wolfy post of the game… which is helpful.”
Man, that just stinks to high heaven for me.
unvote rev105
Vote Grey
June 4, 2013 at 9:34 pm
mbnovak
Would you also consider Melissa? (Keeping in mind the “likely not someone voting for DG” logic I’ve outlined). She’s moved ahead of Colin for me.
June 4, 2013 at 9:41 pm
meat
Grey surged to the top of my list with his immediate approval of my mostly weak ass assessment. He’s been pretty aggressive this game. Maybe I’m reading too much into that.
I’m not pleased with rev105 ‘s appearance and non explanation as the village gets hosed all the time by non-active wolves.
Melissa is still a pretty big question mark.
June 4, 2013 at 9:44 pm
mbnovak
I don’t see Rev’s votes last night working with a wolf play though. You would have jumped on me, I assume, if you were a wolf. Colin and Melissa (and DG) were the only 2 who couldn’t jump on me. Colin is at least engaging this argument (see below), though he’s looking at you too. Melissa hasn’t looked twice at Colin, from what I can tell. That seems odd, and, combined with the not helping the village understand Rev yesterday… she’s my top candidate.
June 4, 2013 at 9:52 pm
MelissaD
My decision whether or not to provide information on the Rev was 100% due to the weirdness of having my spouse play. I keep going back and forth on what’s “fair” information for me to provide, and what would be “unfair” because of my relationship with him. You guys aren’t privy to where he was today and what he was doing, for instance. I am. Is it a jerk move of me to wreck his potential game because I have insider info? Unless I thought he was blatantly lying or being a dick, I still can’t figure out what’s “fair” for me to include. For instance, he said he was in a really long meeting today. That’s, in fact, true. If he’d said that, and I knew he was hanging out at home all day playing Candy Crush and watching your conversation, that’d be different. I’d probably say something. Maybe. But he’d also not be stupid enough to do that because then he’d know I’d immediately peg him as a wolf. And then I would vote him wolf here and have a weird time trying to explain why I thought he was a wolf without feeling like I was “cheating” based on real-life observations.
Seriously, it’s a weird dual role.
Maybe Spooky, when he returns from Mount Olympus, or wherever he goes, can clarify if all’s fair in Werewolf or not.
June 4, 2013 at 9:45 pm
Grey
Your weak ass assessment is the least wolfy looking post of the game. Think what you want about it, but it is. I didn’t say anything about you being or not being wolfy, just that particular post was one of the first honest appearing assessments of the game.
June 4, 2013 at 9:40 pm
Grey
I’m here. I read yesterday more fully. There were three at the end that didn’t vote for DG, Correct? Me, Melissa and Meat.
Meat didn’t have a vote in, and I can’t find anywhere that that is questioned except by Novak, and Meat just blew it off. Can you answer that, Meat? am I wrong? And up yours for the passive jab about posting on the phone. Mind you I was jogging on a treadmill when I made that post. And just to be clear Novak, it was an honest botch on the closing of the bold thing.
June 4, 2013 at 9:44 pm
meat
Make 7, up yours. Dude, just a little humor to lighten the mood. Yeah, the vote is easy to explain. I didn’t see any evidence that the village had a wolf between dg and Novak. My vote rested on the rev because he was hiding behind his character. Still not pleased that he didn’t participate. I felt that we were tossing up between two villagers and felt a coin toss would be fairer to both players.
June 4, 2013 at 9:48 pm
Grey
this is kind of what I thought.
and no worries. I say up yours with affection. It would take accusing me of being a wolf to get me riled up. my ineptitude with anything technological is endearing to my wife, so not a source of insecurity.
June 4, 2013 at 9:48 pm
mbnovak
I’m off to watch some Arrested Development. I’ll check in again before the end of the night.
My list is:
Melissa
Colin
…
meat
…
Higgs
Rev
KG
I feel like Colin’s tone has been pretty consistent with his villager games, especially in his latest round of engagements. Melissa seems to have picked a side in the “me vs. colin” debate, without considering that we could both be innocent. Plus the other stuff with her, detailed earlier. So she’s my #1, and I’ll leave the vote there for now.
June 4, 2013 at 9:51 pm
Grey
So, if I accept that it’s most likely that a wolf didn’t vote KG yesterday, then I have to believe that there is a wolf in Me Melissa or Meat. Of those three, I’d be most inclined to think it was me, but since I already know that I’m not a wolf, then I think that Melissa is slightly more wolfy than Meat. She’s in and out and more defensive and following than offensive and hunting.
unvote Novak
vote Melissa D
June 4, 2013 at 9:59 pm
MelissaD
I think I appear defensive because 1) I was in a training all day and couldn’t do much more than follow early in the day, and 2) I’ve pegged Novak, who was providing arguments before me due to the afore-mentioned training issues. I also pointed a finger at The Reverend, and I haven’t heard anything from him about that. He’s just floating along in silence…making me appear more defensive because my offense is not getting a response.
June 4, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Grey
Your last is a good point.
However, I’m going with the logic that the second wolf didn’t vote for DG, so that leaves you, me and meat. Of you and meat I’d lean toward you.
June 4, 2013 at 10:26 pm
MelissaD
Taking Novak’s logic as the basis, I understand your conclusion. His argument is logical. However, an argument can be both logical and incorrect. For now, it’s what he has to go on, and I understand that. We’re on day two. It’s not like we have a plethora of evidence. His argument also conveniently works for him because it takes him out of the equation.
If I were to go via his logic, that would leave me with you and Meat. Of the two of you, I would actually opt for Meat. Meat is less vocal, and he even bowed out of the final vote yesterday, giving him him leeway to make arguments in either direction. Which is a good move. No matter which way the argument turns, he can say he’s on the “villager” side of it because he did or did not vote for .
While I think Novak is wolfy, I might consider a Meat vote. But I also don’t want to seem to conveniently switch votes because Novak’s logic makes me look bad.
I will think on this.
June 4, 2013 at 10:28 pm
MelissaD
That was supposed to say “he did or did not vote for –insert DG or Novak here–“.
June 4, 2013 at 9:51 pm
mbnovak
Here’s the tally as I’m heading out for a while:
bhiggum voting for MelissaD
Grey (1) voting for mbnovak
kg2005
mbnovak (2) voting for MelissaD
meat voting for Grey
MelissaD (2) voting for mbnovak
thereverendsmith
Just a little over an hour left.
June 4, 2013 at 9:52 pm
mbnovak
Naturally… same time as Colin’s vote. Make that:
bhiggum voting for MelissaD
Grey (1) voting for MelissaD
kg2005
mbnovak (2) voting for MelissaD
meat voting for Grey
MelissaD (3) voting for mbnovak
thereverendsmith
1 hour left.
June 4, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Grey
my daughter is up, I’ll be back as soon as I can.
June 4, 2013 at 9:55 pm
daneekasghost
yo soy aqui.
official update once you guys need one.
June 4, 2013 at 10:02 pm
MelissaD
Also, where is KG?
June 4, 2013 at 10:16 pm
meat
Good question
June 4, 2013 at 10:03 pm
daneekasghost
Correcting one small thing on novak’s update above:
bhiggum voting for MelissaD
Grey (1) voting for MelissaD
kg2005
mbnovak (1) voting for MelissaD
meat voting for Grey
MelissaD (3) voting for mbnovak
thereverendsmith
56:04 to night.
June 4, 2013 at 10:12 pm
daneekasghost
Four votes needed for a majority.
June 4, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Grey
My wife is out on a girls night thing and my daughter won’t sleep unless I hold her so its hard for me know o post ATM. I am here and following along. I’m sticking with Melissa for the moment.
June 4, 2013 at 10:17 pm
meat
unvote grey
June 4, 2013 at 10:18 pm
kg2005
I’m here. Catching up.
June 4, 2013 at 10:23 pm
meat
Up yours.
June 4, 2013 at 10:23 pm
meat
Said with true affection.
June 4, 2013 at 10:27 pm
kg2005
Naturally.
June 4, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Grey
This its why I miss this game.
June 4, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Grey
Ok going with different input method for the typing on the phone while holding daughter thing. I hope I can stay awake.
Who is all here?
June 4, 2013 at 10:30 pm
MelissaD
I’m around. Wondering why The Reverend, below, is remaining silent and not arguing as to why he’s a wolf…or voting his opinion on who IS a wolf. Or even just giving an opinion.
June 4, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Grey
Do you buy into the logic I’m going with for my vote?
June 4, 2013 at 10:33 pm
MelissaD
I wrote a response to it up above.
June 4, 2013 at 10:29 pm
thereverendsmith
Hi.
June 4, 2013 at 10:31 pm
Grey
Hi yourself.
June 4, 2013 at 10:32 pm
meat
I’m set to vote Melissa for trying to start the meat wagon.
Just waiting on kaygee.
June 4, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Grey
Great now I’m hungry.
June 4, 2013 at 10:33 pm
bhiggum
I’m around- seems like we’ve all livened up a bit in the last hour or so.
June 4, 2013 at 10:35 pm
Grey
I can’t speaking to anything up… Though I’ve managed to sneak out from under the sleeping baby. Now to see if I can leave the room…
June 4, 2013 at 10:36 pm
MelissaD
Do you need me to re-post what I wrote?
June 4, 2013 at 10:34 pm
kg2005
Grey has been lashing out at pretty much anyone that posts anything about him. That’s not helpful, Grey, but it’s also consistent with your villager game.
I don’t think Melissa has been particularly wolfy. That bit about not telling us if the rev had played before is pretty ridiculous, she was giving him a chance to speak for himself. That’s fine.
I can’t say I have any great information that says it’s either one of them, but given what we know, I still think it’s one of them.
June 4, 2013 at 10:39 pm
Grey
Why not meat? If we’re using the logic that it had to be someone not on Dg last night why does it have to be Melissa or me?
And to speak to the other, I think the most helpful thing I can do today is make it clear that I’m a villager, hence my looser villager game.
June 4, 2013 at 10:45 pm
mbnovak
I think meat is less likely because he wasn’t on either DG or myself, thus he could just have easily switched to me (like the DG voters) without too much suspicion, and saved DG. He – like everyone who voted for DG – had an opportunity to save DG by switching their vote to me when it was 4-4, but he passed it up, so he’s closer to the DG voters than the Matt voters.
June 4, 2013 at 10:45 pm
mbnovak
A 3-circle Venn Diagram could be helpful here.
June 4, 2013 at 10:49 pm
meat
Too bad we don’t have a house artist. Where is hungryjoe when we need him?
June 4, 2013 at 10:50 pm
mbnovak
Staring at pictures of Kelly Wells, trying to find just the right one.
June 4, 2013 at 10:34 pm
daneekasghost
.
.
bhiggum voting for MelissaD
Grey voting for MelissaD
kg2005
mbnovak (1) voting for MelissaD
meat
MelissaD (3) voting for mbnovak
thereverendsmith
4 needed for majority
25:27 to night.
June 4, 2013 at 10:36 pm
mbnovak
I’m back now too. Nothing new to add.
June 4, 2013 at 10:38 pm
meat
Something dawns on me here, either the wolf is in on the Melissa vote right now, or the wolf is Melissa. The 4th vote has been hanging for quite a bit and no one has jumped. Or the wolf is just being quiet.
June 4, 2013 at 10:39 pm
Grey
Our the wolf is you. Just saying.
June 4, 2013 at 10:42 pm
meat
Sure, but I know I’m a vanillager. Not sure what else I can offer.
June 4, 2013 at 10:40 pm
mbnovak
Well, given that it’s probably Grey or Melissa…
Of course, down to the final wolf, they also might not want to put down the kill, if it turns out Melissa is a villager. So I’d be wary about reading too much into this.
Still… it is probably one of them.
June 4, 2013 at 10:41 pm
MelissaD
Which brings the list to Bhiggs, myself, Grey, and Novak. Of that list, the only one who hasn’t yet been considered for honest wolfiness is Bhiggs. So I don’t think you’ve narrowed down the list there. All you’ve done is removed yourself from the contender list.
June 4, 2013 at 10:43 pm
meat
Grey fixed that for you.
June 4, 2013 at 10:42 pm
thereverendsmith
Kgs assessment up top seems to be pretty good.
I guess my best guess is grey, meat or Melissa
June 4, 2013 at 10:42 pm
MelissaD
unvote Novak
vote meat
June 4, 2013 at 10:42 pm
Grey
Well. I managed to sneak out of the room.
And leave my beer in there.
*sigh*
June 4, 2013 at 10:43 pm
MelissaD
The woes of parenthood!
June 4, 2013 at 10:45 pm
meat
You have a fridge, no?
June 4, 2013 at 10:46 pm
mbnovak
It’s not that he won’t be drinking, its that his daughter will be.
June 4, 2013 at 10:47 pm
MelissaD
Look, all signs are pointing to meat right now. He follows Novak’s logic (which may or may not be correct, but we’ll put that aside for now since everybody seems to be going with it). He left himself out of the critical vote yesterday evening, putting himself in a prime “plausible deniability” role. Up until this point, he’s been mostly unobtrusive and allowing the Grey/Novak or Novak/Me arguments to keep him out of the spotlight. And, as a form of “wolf hunting”, he is giving us an alternative list that is…well, the exact same list that has been posited thus far. If it’s coming down to Me, Grey, or Meat, I say go Meat.
June 4, 2013 at 10:49 pm
mbnovak
This is the best thing you’ve said as a villager. The problem is… he didn’t save DG last night and he could have. If he did that for credibility’s sake? That’s a bold move.
June 4, 2013 at 10:57 pm
meat
Right, I didn’t save dg when I could have gotten away with it Scott free. There were so many outs to take Novak! Why would I have sacrificed my wolf brother?
June 4, 2013 at 10:58 pm
mbnovak
See below… I’m not changing my vote.
June 4, 2013 at 10:49 pm
Grey
I like this. Novak? KG? Rev?
Meat I know your answer.
June 4, 2013 at 10:51 pm
mbnovak
It’s not terrible. And your response here is making me feel you’re clean.
June 4, 2013 at 10:54 pm
kg2005
Let me go back and check? Shit, 6 minutes? I’ll be quick.
June 4, 2013 at 10:52 pm
meat
You also forget to mention that I could have hauled you away several minutes ago, but have been waiting for more info. Why would a wolf do that?
June 4, 2013 at 10:54 pm
mbnovak
To lay low, as Colin essentially pointed out in response to your logic clearing yourself, above.
June 4, 2013 at 10:55 pm
meat
Dude, seriously? I could have used your ‘iron clad’ argument to walk away clean. A wolf takes that shot
June 4, 2013 at 10:56 pm
mbnovak
That’s why I haven’t switched my vote.
June 4, 2013 at 10:54 pm
bhiggum
you make good points. Meat generally is much more flamboyant as a wolf, but if he’s the only one left, he might be trying something different.
June 4, 2013 at 10:51 pm
meat
If I vote Melissa and she’s a villager you’ll lynch me tomorrow, right?
If we wait a second and look at how she’s driving a meat wagon we may make a better decision.
June 4, 2013 at 10:52 pm
mbnovak
Not necessarily.
June 4, 2013 at 10:51 pm
daneekasghost
.
.
bhiggum voting for MelissaD
Grey voting for MelissaD
kg2005
mbnovak voting for MelissaD
meat (1)
MelissaD (3) voting for meat
thereverendsmith
4 needed for majority
8 minutes, 32 seconds until night.
June 4, 2013 at 10:53 pm
mbnovak
KG, Higgs and Rev could all be useful right now… Especially since they all seem clean to me still.
June 4, 2013 at 10:53 pm
thereverendsmith
vote grey
June 4, 2013 at 10:54 pm
meat
For why?
June 4, 2013 at 10:58 pm
thereverendsmith
Cause I don’t know if I trust melissa
June 4, 2013 at 10:59 pm
mbnovak
If you aren’t safe, say a number bigger than 10…
June 4, 2013 at 10:56 pm
MelissaD
Did you note read the above?
June 4, 2013 at 10:58 pm
meat
You answer for him?
June 4, 2013 at 10:55 pm
kg2005
Grey, why do you prefer meat to Melissa?
June 4, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Grey
I don’t think I do, I just want all avenues explored. I like the Melissa vote ATM
June 4, 2013 at 10:59 pm
MelissaD
I think meat’s holding your vote hostage here…
June 4, 2013 at 10:57 pm
daneekasghost
.
.
bhiggum voting for MelissaD
Grey (1) voting for MelissaD
kg2005
mbnovak voting for MelissaD
meat (1)
MelissaD (3) voting for meat
thereverendsmith voting for Grey
4 needed for majority
Night is coming sometime soon, let’s say … 10 PM.
June 4, 2013 at 10:58 pm
kg2005
Vote Melissa
June 4, 2013 at 10:59 pm
kg2005
Because respect, that’s why. I didn’t think she was particularly wolfy, but she’s absolutely good enough to seem that way and still be a wolf.
June 4, 2013 at 10:59 pm
daneekasghost
MelissaD is in Jail Talk till 10.
June 4, 2013 at 10:59 pm
daneekasghost
unless you’re Melissa. Don’t talk, then.
June 4, 2013 at 10:59 pm
meat
vote Melissa
Out of self preservation. And no other clear options
June 4, 2013 at 10:59 pm
thereverendsmith
Oh, what the hell
unvote grey , vote melissa
June 4, 2013 at 11:00 pm
daneekasghost
IT IS NIGHT
Stop talking now.
June 4, 2013 at 11:00 pm
mbnovak
Seer: peek meat.
June 4, 2013 at 11:01 pm
meat
Eat me.
June 4, 2013 at 11:03 pm
mbnovak
Just my way of making sure I made it to morning with my 3 peeks.
June 4, 2013 at 11:07 pm
meat
Who?
June 4, 2013 at 11:08 pm
mbnovak
Rev, KG. Tonight would have flipped a coin between you and Colin, and had enough to go on either way, I think.
June 4, 2013 at 11:01 pm
daneekasghost
Final vote tally.
bhiggum voting for MelissaD
Grey (1) voting for MelissaD
kg2005 voting for MelissaD
mbnovak voting for MelissaD
meat (1)
MelissaD (4) voting for meat
thereverendsmith voting for Grey
Flavor text incoming.
June 4, 2013 at 11:02 pm
daneekasghost
The townspeople of Nirvana could taste victory. They had already managed to kill off history’s most powerful, deadly, and handsome werewolf the previous day, and the mayor promised them that only one wolf remained in their midst.
At some point during the day Lt. Daniels tackled Jester and refused to let him up until the village agreed to lynch him. They dragged their target to the mayor’s house to get the official sentencing out of the way, but were surprised to find Mayor Castleton not at home. Instead, brandishing the mayor’s last will and testament, Ellie Sue, now a zombie werewolf, declared that the Mayor Castleton had left her in charge of the town.
“Uh oh” Artemis reached for her bow.
It was too late, Ellie Sue freed Jester and the two wolves fell upon the villagers, eating their fill.
WOLVES WIN!
OK, fine. None of that happened. Ellie Sue, despite being probably the most effective and devastating werewolf this town had ever seen, has no power from beyond the grave. Jester was strung up, and as he died, grew fur, fangs, claws and a mustache. The wolves were all dead.
VILLAGERS WIN! (finally)
daneekasghost(poisoned day one, Ellie Sue (wolf))Dread Pirate(poisoned himself, then gutted night one, Fireball (villager))MelissaD(even a zombie uprising couldn’t save her day two, Jester (wolf))bhiggum
Grey
kg2005
mbnovak
meat
The Reverend
June 4, 2013 at 11:03 pm
mbnovak
Woo!
June 4, 2013 at 11:04 pm
meat
Holy fucking shit!
June 4, 2013 at 11:05 pm
MelissaD
Can I pretend I gave this to you guys out of pity?
June 4, 2013 at 11:05 pm
kg2005
I’ll fully admit that I was only comfortable voting for you because you also kicked my ass last time.
June 4, 2013 at 11:06 pm
MelissaD
Well, I had a good team last time.
Damn you and your logic, Novak!
June 4, 2013 at 11:06 pm
meat
Nice try with the meat wagon. It almost worked. Ha. But it didn’t.
June 4, 2013 at 11:07 pm
MelissaD
I was so close I could taste it. But I couldn’t stretch out my argument enough to grab a few more people. I totally thought I had Grey at least.
June 4, 2013 at 11:08 pm
mbnovak
The logic was just too solid for me to make that leap. And I knew I could peek again…
June 4, 2013 at 11:09 pm
meat
This is why I stayed out of the tie breaker on night one. I had a feeling what ever way it played out it would keep me from being lynched.
June 4, 2013 at 11:11 pm
MelissaD
Which is why you were CLEARLY the wolf!
June 4, 2013 at 11:14 pm
meat
Ha! Says the wolf.
June 4, 2013 at 11:20 pm
bhiggum
If you’d started it an hour earlier, I think I would have switched at the deadline
June 4, 2013 at 11:05 pm
kg2005
Hey, that’s fun!
June 4, 2013 at 11:06 pm
thereverendsmith
Crazy.
June 4, 2013 at 11:07 pm
daneekasghost
Dammit, part I – I should have put a last-second vote on novak.
Dammit, part II – failing that, I should have claimed seer in the overtime when it was clear I was dead meat.
Not a good game. This loss was on me.
June 4, 2013 at 11:10 pm
mbnovak
1. I was sure you were a villager because you didn’t put that vote on me. That confidence lasted until Kelly posted the result.
2. You would have forced me to come out with the seer then at least.
June 4, 2013 at 11:12 pm
daneekasghost
I think I convinced meat, novak, and todahshy that I was a villager with that. Didn’t convince kg, though.
June 4, 2013 at 11:22 pm
meat
You hadn’t convinced me of villagerness, but you hadn’t convinced me you were a wolf either.
June 4, 2013 at 11:26 pm
daneekasghost
I’ll take it.
June 4, 2013 at 11:07 pm
mbnovak
KG – nice job last night/all around.
Higgs – heck of a pick on DG yesterday.
Grey – Good fighting. You definitely sold your villagerness with me this evening. Something in your tone…
June 4, 2013 at 11:15 pm
bhiggum
Definitely good job for Grey- I was really thinking wolf on him yesterday and early today, but when he did get engaged, I wasn’t seeing it anymore.
June 4, 2013 at 11:29 pm
kg2005
Absolutely. He fought for it and he won.
June 5, 2013 at 1:11 am
Grey
Aww you guys.
June 4, 2013 at 11:07 pm
todahshy
Yeah I was with Novak on the Melissa vote from early yesterday. Melissa was playing exactly the same way as last time. Now Brooks I had no clue on because whoever knows with him.
June 4, 2013 at 11:09 pm
MelissaD
I need to be picked for villager one of these days. I can’t imagine I’d play any different, but I have no idea. I’ve somehow drawn “wolf” twice.
Though I’d argue I was much quieter in the beginning last time. I barely said anything for what seemed like days, knowing you guys were mostly forgetting I was there.
June 4, 2013 at 11:10 pm
mbnovak
It was a much bigger game last time, so quiet was less noticeable.
June 4, 2013 at 11:20 pm
daneekasghost
I need to be picked for villager one of these days.
Me too.
June 4, 2013 at 11:08 pm
kg2005
First villager win since February 3rd, 2012. Wow.
June 4, 2013 at 11:13 pm
bhiggum
Seriously? I know we haven’t played for a while, but holy crap.
June 4, 2013 at 11:14 pm
kg2005
8* wolf wins in that time.
*9 if you count two for Double Werewolf.
June 4, 2013 at 11:15 pm
mbnovak
How many games in a row?
June 4, 2013 at 11:09 pm
The Dread Pirate
HOORAY!
Something that no one mentioned today, but should have… bhiggs was the person (along with me) who wanted to go after DG yesterday when he was skating by. That should have cleared him completely rather than having him keep popping back up on suspicion lists from time to time.
June 4, 2013 at 11:10 pm
daneekasghost
yeah, that whole endgame yesterday ended up clearing about 4 people to my estimation.
A true disaster.
June 4, 2013 at 11:18 pm
bhiggum
Yup, that big vote swing from Melissa to you really didn’t leave either her with much wiggle room.
And then Melissa’s failure to vote for you really stood out when I went back over the timestamps.
June 4, 2013 at 11:10 pm
kg2005
Did anyone ever really consider higgs?
June 5, 2013 at 1:07 am
bhiggum
I guess I’m gonna have to skip the first 8 hours of every werewolf game I play from now on.
June 5, 2013 at 1:09 am
spookymilk
I wanted to jump in and kill you so badly. You seemed so wolfy!
June 4, 2013 at 11:11 pm
mbnovak
I guess I figured naming the only 2 who really made sense qualified as exonerating the others.
June 4, 2013 at 11:09 pm
kg2005
Who was the seer, by the way?
June 4, 2013 at 11:10 pm
mbnovak
Hi.
June 4, 2013 at 11:12 pm
kg2005
Oh, that makes me happier about your logic. I emailed spooky this morning saying that you happened to be right about my villageriness, but I could have been a wolf in the same spot and would have absolutely jumped in to kill DG. Although I probably would have been more invested in the game had I been a wolf.
June 4, 2013 at 11:14 pm
mbnovak
Oh yeah, I had to peek you last night.
June 4, 2013 at 11:17 pm
meat
I really wanted you to have the brass stones needed to make that play.
June 5, 2013 at 1:13 am
Grey
I knew it!
June 4, 2013 at 11:11 pm
bhiggum
Whee! We win? Only lost one villager? Sweet!
June 4, 2013 at 11:13 pm
todahshy
Alright this game put me in the mood to play a big, crazy game of Werewolf.
June 4, 2013 at 11:16 pm
kg2005
If only we could get the people together. You should quit that shiny new job of yours.
June 4, 2013 at 11:18 pm
MelissaD
I know! I want to play a game where I can hide in the shadows again. And maybe write more threatening letters.
June 4, 2013 at 11:15 pm
meat
You know what tastes good? Victory, that’s what.
June 4, 2013 at 11:17 pm
kg2005
Also: DG’s first wolf loss.
June 4, 2013 at 11:18 pm
meat
Somehow that tastes better than victory.
June 4, 2013 at 11:23 pm
mbnovak
Yeah, that’s really sweet. Really really sweet.
June 4, 2013 at 11:28 pm
daneekasghost
The sidebar will feel so empty now.
June 4, 2013 at 11:18 pm
daneekasghost
75-1 as a wolf.
random.org really likes my wolf game, it keeps asking me to reprise it.
June 4, 2013 at 11:20 pm
kg2005
Your streak will never be beaten. Unless we have another streak of 8 wolf wins. Then it might.
June 4, 2013 at 11:21 pm
MelissaD
DG has given himself away, though. In every game, he’ll have to be lynched day one because random.org really likes his wolf game.
June 4, 2013 at 11:21 pm
mbnovak
We’ve known that for far too long to pay it any heed.
June 4, 2013 at 11:22 pm
daneekasghost
I am a wolf.
June 4, 2013 at 11:21 pm
mbnovak
I’m undefeated as a wolf…
June 4, 2013 at 11:23 pm
kg2005
1-0!
June 4, 2013 at 11:23 pm
spookymilk
I can’t be much longer than this, so let me say:
Very few notes. I’ll perhaps link to them later tonight when I can, but they’re pretty light and obvious.
Novak is MVP. Lots of contenders for runner-up.
Novak peeked at Reverend, then kg, for those wondering.
My “Villagers Win” payoff would have been much different, but I like it enough that I’ll probably save it for PwtP or something.
June 4, 2013 at 11:26 pm
daneekasghost
Got your email after nightfall. Just so you know I wasn’t blatantly disregarding your story line.
June 5, 2013 at 9:36 am
The Dread Pirate
Let’s see those notes!
June 5, 2013 at 9:42 am
mbnovak
Seriously. I’m bored.
June 4, 2013 at 11:24 pm
MelissaD
I would also like to add that I have learned a very significant lesson from this game: Always narc on my husband.
June 4, 2013 at 11:31 pm
kg2005
Would you have if you were a villager though? I couldn’t justify calling that wolfy. Maybe I’m wrong.
June 4, 2013 at 11:34 pm
MelissaD
I wouldn’t have. (Though I will NOW, if he ever plays again). I had a lapse in judgement and didn’t realize how it would make me look “wolfy”. I only noticed that afterwards, and then it was too late to retract without continuing to look wolfy.
June 5, 2013 at 12:05 am
kg2005
Oh, crap. Guys, we screwed up. Now what am I going to do tomorrow?
June 5, 2013 at 12:45 am
mbnovak
Diplomacy anyone?
June 5, 2013 at 1:15 am
Grey
Yes!
June 5, 2013 at 9:37 am
The Dread Pirate
Did you guys all notice how much easier it is for the village to win when spooky isn’t around trying his hardest to let DG live?
June 5, 2013 at 9:44 am
spookymilk
How many times have I been alive long enough for that to be an issue? Two or so? Dude, when DG’s a wolf I’m almost always dead on night one or two.
June 5, 2013 at 10:10 am
spookymilk
NOTES.
DAY ONE
*Our wolves are Daneeka’s Ghost and MelissaD. Well, of course they are. Novak is the seer, which should be real great for a natural mass of paranoia.
*bhiggum hasn’t shown up by midday of day one and he never responded last night. He said this week was good for him, so I sure hope that didn’t change.
*The opening hours have been pretty blah (more blah than usual), but Melissa seems to be slipping into the wolf trap of going quiet for hours but immediately responding when someone mentions her name.
*Novak’s first peek was at The Reverend, courtesy of random.org. He was happy with the fact that he got to see the role of the noob. I get that, but dude…you have got to check on Brooks.
*Reverend’s first post (ever, at the site): “Greetings my children,
I have been in the chapel, praying to our Lord savior to save us from the evil infecting our village. The Lord has promised to show me a sign that we must follow to root out the unbeliever that has brought the eye of Satan upon us.”
Subtle! Early impressions: as hilarious as this is, I now expect him to shoot up some lists of people to kill. At least Novak already knows he’s a good guy. Meanwhile, if he’s not lynched, the wolves may take a stab at him, thinking it’s a seer proclamation. Will his CdL debut involve him being eviscerated by his own wife? There’s precedent for that, as the Wreisners have taught us. Moments later, kg also comments on the glorious entrance.
*Perhaps spurred on by the apathy that a lack of posts brings, DG is openly trolling the post with “I am a wolf” rationales in voting and commentary. I love stupid stuff like this.
*Mostly through messing around, Melissa is, with two and a half hours to go, just one vote from a majority. I’m sure someone will pull away now that they see this, though she’s been wolfy enough that I’d probably put down the kill vote if I was in there. If she goes and Novak abandons random.org and looks at Brooks, this could be amazingly quick. …yep, kg pulled back pretty quickly.
*kg returns with an hour left, ready to vote Novak. Oh boy. Melissa, silent throughout most of this, jumps on immediately. Red flags, folks. At least ask her why it’s so easy for her to agree.
*Grey points out that Melissa was quick to agree, and then he votes with her. Oh well. Another disaster coming, folks. At least Novak can point out that the noob is a good guy on his way out. Then the new guy will be dead tonight and it’s 5-2, with nobody questioning Brooks. I’m less hopeful for the village all of a sudden.
*thereverendsmith is killing any chance the village had to get a wolf. He won’t stop playing the character. Sigh.
*Novak is all over Melissa. If he dies as the seer, at least they’ll look back and assume he knew.
*bhiggum thinks it’s strange that DG has so few comments. It is, I guess, but normally he has so many because he and I tangle on day one. Anyway, if bhiggum gets it right, it’s all good.
*DPWY returns and immediately throws our seer under the bus. He’s had some rough games lately, that old pirate…
*meat announces he’s leaving with ten minutes left. WHY?
*A crazy flurry at the end leaves us with a seer/wolf draw, with the other wolf right behind. Novak almost avoided this draw…
*Novak drops a “seeing” hint in a comment about Rev.
*kg OUT OF NOWHERE kills DG. Holy shit.
NIGHT ONE
*Novak’s peek is kg. I like it for the same reason Novak outlines: that’s a game-winning move, voting DG at the end, if kg is a wolf.
*Melissa kills DPWY. She doesn’t have much of a rationale and says it was an equally difficult chance of getting the seer. I know this is easy for me to say, but I think some wolves would have seen the seer in Novak. Would DG? We’ll ask him afterward. She did say she definitely wanted DG around to talk about the kill, and she took a lot of time with it.
DAY TWO
*Early swipes have the village narrowing it down mostly to Grey and Melissa. A couple of conspiracy theorists are throwing Novak out there, but that’s an early-Novak-level conspiracy there. meat is also being half-assedly bandied about. Only bhiggum doesn’t seem to at least have Melissa in his sights. It may not be a sweep, but with Novak having two interesting names cleared, the village is well ahead. I don’t know if Melissa is going to want to night-kill him, either, since she’ll probably assume that he can be used.
*kg is surprised he isn’t gaining more of a following, and emails me to tell me so. He comes to the same conclusion as Novak and I – that it’s a game-winning wolf move. Of course, I know that Novak peeked at him, which is a major reason nobody’s talking about kg in a negative light.
*Grey with the old “people who think I’m a wolf are obviously wolves” strategy. He typically puts things together, but not this early.
*Now Grey is being wrong so aggressively that it’ll probably come off looking villagery.
*Not that it’s a totally wolfy-looking thing to say, but Melissa’s “One down, one to go” is something I remember seeing once before and immediately thinking, correctly in the end, that a wolf was saying it. I don’t know what it is about that phrase…I guess it just sounds too phony for a villager to say.
*Grey insisting it’s Novak is pretty weird. Novak came off as such a clear villager last night that I probably would have night-killed him.
*bhiggum’s look back at Melissa nails it – she didn’t switch to DG to save herself. Very wolfy, in light of what happened.
*Melissa finally came back with the suspicion list, and it’s probably the last nail in the coffin. Again she’s going for the two people who already had the most suspicion cast on them that weren’t her. She does try to get in with Grey, but that’s probably too little.
*Quick revenge vote from Melissa to Novak after he votes for her.
*All this talk of live games makes me wish I could visit this summer.
*I get Melissa’s hesitation to answer whether Rev has played before or not, I guess, but I would have pounced on any information that was withheld like that. It’s easy to say because I knew she was a wolf all along, but I’d guess that she would have said something if she wasn’t, and she overthought it because she is and got needlessly coy.
*Grey names Melissa and meat, so Melissa starts saying she could support a meat vote.
*Sixteen months since the last villager win, and this was a sweep. Given the way the first day went down, there was a ton of information to go on that really put Melissa in a horrible spot. Getting a wolf like that and being able to break down the people who weren’t in on the vote is the best thing the village can hope for. Nicely played, village. Novak for MVP, but everyone, in the end, provided some good analysis (and those who initially didn’t were open-minded enough to see the right play when it was offered).
June 5, 2013 at 10:41 am
The Dread Pirate
No neutral observations on the rush to DG ten minutes before the deadline?
How is pointing out that the Troika Theory was stupid throwing Novak under the bus? Instead, I added this comment upon my return.
June 5, 2013 at 10:44 am
mbnovak
Yeah, you definitely nailed that one.
June 5, 2013 at 11:31 am
spookymilk
Under the bus: In my notes, I typically have a natural defense for the seer and get annoyed when people – particularly villagers – vote for the seer. I can’t push it out of my head.
On DG – the thing about rushes like that is that it robs me of my ability to make notes, because I have to read so many comments in such a small amount of time and I have to stay glued to the voting spreadsheet. I found it mystifying, but in the moment it’s hard to remember what I felt because it was such a blur. I too was initially surprised to go back and read that I hadn’t really said anything about it, but that’s because I was terrified of missing a vote or something.
June 5, 2013 at 11:55 am
MelissaD
Here’s what killed me this game:
1. My actual problem with determining what to do about my spouse. That wasn’t me being wolfy. I would’ve have done that as a villager, too. I couldn’t figure out what was appropriate!
2. My work schedule. You said I was being “wolfy” by disappearing for hours then showing up when my name was mentioned. That was purely coincidence. I showed up when I had a break at work to show up. I had a suspicion it wouldn’t work well for me, but it’s what I had to go with.
Which makes me wonder…for future Werewolf games, is it possible to make it something like a 5-10pm game? Most people here appear to work typical schedules and are more available in the evening. Otherwise, it seems to just offer fodder for accusing people. “That one was gone all day at their job! WOLF!”
June 5, 2013 at 12:04 pm
The Dread Pirate
I think it’s not as much of a problem with a bigger game. However, with you and the Rev and bhiggs (and me, for that matter), all being gone for long stretches on day one, it only left 4 other players to keep Novak from talking to himself.
June 5, 2013 at 12:06 pm
mbnovak
I was bored.
June 5, 2013 at 12:10 pm
spookymilk
That’s an unhappy coincidence. We have had wolves, though, who only spoke when their name was called.
June 5, 2013 at 10:11 am
spookymilk
As for the cure for boredom, I can totally do a Werewolf podcast tonight if others can.
June 5, 2013 at 10:23 am
mbnovak
My boredom has been cured by my daughter throwing up.
June 5, 2013 at 10:28 am
spookymilk
Um…cool, I guess?
(But the podcast thing stands)
June 5, 2013 at 11:56 am
MelissaD
My son was in that mode about a month ago. I’ve been watching it make its way through kids. It has apparently now made it to your part of the world. Hopefully she feels better soon!
June 5, 2013 at 11:47 am
mbnovak
So… not coming out as the seer when I was in the tiebreaker… Outcome was good, but do people agree with the move generally?
June 5, 2013 at 11:58 am
MelissaD
It seemed a generally good move. Don’t want to reveal yourself too early. I would have eaten you immediately, had you declared yourself. This would have worked well for the wolves since you hadn’t peeked me. The seer wants to be killed later in the game, right?
As to Spooky’s comment about you obviously being a seer…I suffer, again, from not knowing people as well. I didn’t see any difference between how you acted as seer and how you were as a wolf. Or how you are in pretty much any interaction I’ve had with you.
June 5, 2013 at 12:11 pm
spookymilk
If I used the word “obvious,” I shouldn’t have, but he dropped the exact same type of hints that I always planned on dropping if I was a seer again. If I was a villager I might not see them until later, but as a wolf I’d be searching for such hints.
June 5, 2013 at 12:05 pm
The Dread Pirate
I don’t think you had anything to gain by coming out on day one. You get killed on night one, and you’re only exonerating one person.
June 5, 2013 at 12:56 pm
kg2005
I can’t say that I would have done the same thing, but you had a lot to gain by not doing it. I think it was a good play.